MBP, that long verbhorreic avalanche of yours was tiresome and hard to follow. Learn to use quotes, damn it. Here are some answers, stripped down and reformatted as far as I could understand them...
As a dopp claiming Kook preemptively, you have these benefits.
1. People are likely to trust you, because it seems unlikely for a dopp to do that. WIFOM.
Bzzzt. bullshit. As you are proving right now, people are more prone to suspect you (and for understandable reasons).
2. The only way they can prove or disprove you is to waste a scanner. If the town is determined enough to find out for sure, they have to waste a scanner that could be used on your scumbuddies.
Bzzzt. Telepath can do it too. Emphasis added, on day 2, the scanner as about 1/9 chance to hit scum (admitting 3 scum, 9 player left without scanner user).
Wrong on both counts:
a) it's clear that people are not being more prone to suspect you; see responses by Toony, Toaster, Jim & Janus. I also stand by my comment that these responses make it obvious that a kook fakeclaim is a viable scum strategy.
b) The telepath would miss most dopps. And you claim the "Scanner" defense as if one could just pop to the corner store to get one. These are neither plentiful nor guaranteed. By my count, the only town-aligned scanner user is an Agent Operative, who may or may not get one, and who may or may not exist. This means that town gets up to *one* scanner per game, and your claim pretty much obligates them to either trust you, lynch you, or use it on you. Sure, other non-town roles may also get scanners, but would have no incentive to share their results with the town. (this being a bastard, tech distribution may be different, but we don't know that, and still asking a scanner to be wasted on you is more wasteful than an agent inspection).
And again, Zathras disregarding eveything in my post. Unusual.
Bullshit. This is you outright lying. Here's the post that you say I disregarded:
[1], and this is my response:
[2]. I quote and respond directly to your first paragraph, the second is a repeat on your previous claim, then I quote and respond to your third paragraph, and pointed out that I had addressed the point earlier. Then you list your top picks, to which I also respond. You saying that I'm disregarding it is an outright lie to make you look good, and to cast suspicion on me without any basis. One more scummy move of you.
Sure, as lies go, not a huge one, but the cases we're forming this game so far are marginal, and you are filling the beach one grain of sand at a a time.
Pressure is NOT mesured by question asked. Thats a smokeschreen and you know it.
Hey Jim, MBP disagrees with you that Arg and I are pressuring him. He seems to think questioning is not pressure. I guess he's then reeling from the heavy pressure put on him by ToonyMan and you, or something.
Dude! Of course questions are pressure! Duh.
Again, all that's needed for scum to get away with the fakeclaim is to withstand the pressure, which you had done so far (it helps that most everyone else seems to have inexplicably bought it, but I'll come back to that later). It's not that hard, nor hard to see in your case.
And as long as you aren't overly scummy, people will lynch someone else and leave you be with a "kooky townie" label
False, They will vote for the scummy-est, as it should be, and vote me when if they ran out of better options. That's ridiculously different. You seem to imply that if i don't do anything special people will suddenly forgot my claim, wich is utter bullshit.
Really? Look at the people you've convinced so far (good job on that, by the way). If someone else hangs today, they'll go on keeping you labeled as "kooky town" for the rest of the game, unless you screw up. If you are scum,
you have pretty much a safe game made as long as you are marginally careful during the day. Tell me that's not a viable strategy for scum, and worth batting a few questions for.
To your question. I am not certain that he is scum, but so are you. Thats basically that, Nobody got any concrete and solid proof on anyone, and you use that to justify a townie lynch.
That assumes you are townie, which we don't know. Yes, we don't have anything solid on the top contenders, so we go for scumminess.
You have on you so far: a) an entirely useless RV question; b) utter lack of hunting; c) your claim, well defended; d) your OMGUSy "suspicions"; e) your endless self-preservation and insistence of your innocence; f) your overt lies about my responding your questions; g) your willingness to see someone else hang even if you clearly don't think they're scummy enough, but better them than you; and recently h) your call for those attacking you to redirect their efforts elsewhere:
"Mom! They're picking on me! Leave me alone!" is
also a scumtell, from a scum cracking under pressure.
No. I agree that your scumminess wouldn't be
fatal if we had more targets, but that above is more than I have on Dariush or even Org (he's more annoying, and just as useless, but less scummy, more jestery). It's scummy enough for you to be the top contender. And I insist that even if we mislynch you, that's a net-positive when compared to a different mislynch, just to remove the chance of the fakeclaim. Unless we find someone scummier, I'm still thinking you are our best choice to hang.
Really, what id want is for you guys to actually do some hunting. Org is scummy, Jim is banging hard on dariush, Joker is basically removed from the picture, Dariush mostly silent, and did not comement back on Jim attack, etc . There are plenty of thing to discuss, But i feel that people are not actively working since they know they got a good lynch candidate already. It just is really annoying.
How about you follow your own advice and do some hunting of your own? Some honest efforts in that regard would perhaps offset some of the scumminess of your past. But no. You think we should
leave you alone and go hunt elsewhere. No, dear, hunting is what we are doing when we ask you all these questions. And they have gotten results, haven't they? But yes, an increased breadth for all involved would be healthy.
On other things:Now that that's out of the way, I have to say I'm surprised on Jim & Janus's statements on this matter. It really gives credence in my mind to the viability of a fakeclaim as a tactic. You two not just believe it's a null tell, but actually believe him to be
town! Wow! You don't even think that of each other, or of the rest of the active players. It's startling and even suspicious. But maybe I'm wrong? Is my logic faulty? (question addressed at
Jim & Janus; MBP: shut up, I've seen your "logic", and I'd rather not soil my hands with it).
However, on that vein:
Janus: Talking too much? Really? Is that your case for being
fourth on someone's bandwagon? At least the others had a case on him ("he's voting the kook!" lame case, but at least something). I may be jumping the gun here, but I offer an alternative possible explanation: Janus is MBP's scumbuddy, glad to let him fakeclaim, coaching him on defence, and then ensuring he's not lynched by going after the more vulnerable of the people voting him. What do you think... plausible?
PS: I forgot to bold
Jokerman in my previous. Seriously dude, Xmas is over, get your ass in here and weigh in.
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