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[damocles]

Watching my justice screen I noticed one dwarf had been earmarked for a "beating" for whatever his crime was.  A short while later, he got that beating and then some.  He was beaten to death by my sheriff.

Is that a bug?  Seems like a bit of a bug to me.  Surely a beating should just wound the dwarf, leaving him out of action for some time, not kill him outright.

[TeDDD]

It happens.  Sometimes things go too far, accidents happen, dwarves fall down  stairs, Capice?

[damocles]

I think I'll rename the settlement to Baghdad.

[Align]

Build more cages?

[Tayrin]

The "Dwarven Justice" section of the in-game manual actually gives a nice explanation of the punishments, or at least the hammerings, including mentioning that death is not uncommon for sentenced dwarves.

After pressing "?" in-game, it can be found under "The Many Menus" -> "Noble Specifics" -> "Dwarven Justice". Scroll down to "The Hammerer" to find the explanation on hammerings.

Speaking of dwarves falling downstairs, I had this happen to several dwarves consecutively, a while ago. It wasn't pretty.

[Quintin Stone]

That's what happens when you resist.   :eek:

[damocles]

In the manual, it talks about there being a hammering and an execution punishments.  Does the game show "beating" as the punishment for both, or does it show something more specific for an execution?

If it does, then surely beatings should stop before the dwarf dies, but executions kill the dwarf.

[Fedaykin]

getting a beating from the hammerer generally ends up in Death

[Torak]

Maybe he learned his lesson?

[Tayrin]

I've not seen any dwarf be specifically sentenced to be executed, but then again I never had any especially naughty dwarves to be punished. Maybe someone else knows.

However, when I didn't have enough cages and restraints for the criminals to be imprisoned, almost all of the dwarves who received "beatings" died right away or very soon after, or were left seriously crippled.

Damocles, I expect you did this already, but did you check to make sure you had enough cages/restraints, by viewing the Justice status screen?

[Red Jackard]

I've had dwarves beaten to death with a legendary Sheriff and no restraints ready in my jail.

[damocles]

Ah, so your dwarves will only get a beating if there's no restraints/cages available?  I did have a few, but they may have been full.  For some reason, I was gripped in a crime wave and had about 4 dwarves in jail.

I had just assumed the beating was another punishment option, not an alternative to jail time.

[martinuzz]

No, dwarves can also get beatings when there are enough jails. They can also be sentenced to jail AND beating. The deadliness of the beating depends on the stats, skills and weapon of the punisher (sherrif or fortress guard) and the stats of the criminal (toughness).
Beating is a different sentence then hammering.
Hammering is almost always deadly, except when your criminal is VERY tough and wearing steel plate masterwork armor. You need the hammerer before hammering verdicts are handed out.
When and why which sentece is dealt I don't know. I believe it's pretty random, maybe it takes the personalities of the punisher into account. (Bladwarf is easily moved to pity... etc.)

[Lightning4]

The hammerer also now will give out beatings, it would seem. He beat up some poor guy TWO times in a row because of separate sentences getting translated into beatings. The guy survived. Oddly enough, my hammerer seems to ignore the rest of long list of "offenses" at my fortress, he only went after that one guy.

My guess is he either hated the guy, or more likely, only new crimes are being recognized by the hammerer.

[sphr]

as somebody had mentioned before in another thread (forgot which one), there IS a slim chance that a dwarf can survive.  I've tried it.  Only one success case out of countless reloads and retries.  When you see a guy sentenced to beating, draft him and put him on plate armor.  With luck, he gets to wear it before he get caught (lock and unlock doors if necessary to hinder the "justice officer".  He will be on a "chain animal" command)  This, coupled with the perhaps a few reloads, you might get an important dwarf to survive.  If the dwarf is not too important (like a new immigrant or a replaceable hauler), I think easier to live with the death...

In the end, I just live with the deaths of the less important dwarves.  Then, I decided to solve the problem at the root -> nobles.  After I eh... halved the number of useless nobles and indirectly their mandates, "crime rate" drops.... The only reason why I didn't .. eh.. erase the rest is that one of them has a baby.  not sure what will happen to the baby if I get rid of the parents.... lol