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[Bordellimies]

It was otherwise great, but like you all know, the ending blew it. Didn't matter how I played ME1 or ME2, the ending in ME3 isn't related to them in almost any way.What a load of crap.

[hermes]

It was otherwise great, but like you all know, the ending blew it. Didn't matter how I played ME1 or ME2, the ending in ME3 isn't related to them in almost any way.What a load of crap.

This, as always, great Gamecritics piece says the same thing.

Right now, my dream is for Lucasarts to pick up Drew Karpyshyn and Chris L'etoile and start making serious Star Wars games.  It's best to just let Bioware die a slow death by ignoring them.

[Darkmere]

Bioware might not be, but the writer just might. Also, don't forget the employee's twiters, they are hiding something and something spoilery. Also, they've mentioned that dlcs will either take place in the past or in present, no post-game expirience, which bassicaly means that they probably are doing an ending dlc, and there's a rumour it's free.

How dare you be optimistic? Also... facts!? Really? I question your dedication to the internet.

[fenrif]

Bioware might not be, but the writer just might. Also, don't forget the employee's twiters, they are hiding something and something spoilery. Also, they've mentioned that dlcs will either take place in the past or in present, no post-game expirience, which bassicaly means that they probably are doing an ending dlc, and there's a rumour it's free.

How dare you be optimistic? Also... facts!? Really? I question your dedication to the internet.

Facts?! Where?

[Darkmere]

Facts?! Where?

Also, don't forget the employee's twiters, they are hiding something and something spoilery.

Notice how the information is verifiable. Rare, I know.

[Domenique]

Facts?! Where?

Also, don't forget the employee's twiters, they are hiding something and something spoilery.

Notice how the information is verifiable. Rare, I know.

They're at the end of the video i've posted.

[dogstile]

The indoctrination theory has plenty of its own holes. For a start anderson mentions the timescale, which is a few weeks after you've gotten the krogan/turians or salarians, which is just the tip of the iceberg.

Um... What?

Bioware might not be, but the writer just might. Also, don't forget the employee's twiters, they are hiding something and something spoilery. Also, they've mentioned that dlcs will either take place in the past or in present, no post-game expirience, which bassicaly means that they probably are doing an ending dlc, and there's a rumour it's free.

Ugh, sorry. In the game some characters specifically mention how long its been since shephard left. Meaning that the whole "the more war assets you get, the longer the reapers have had to affect you" theory is kapunct.

[fenrif]

All those tweets seem to say is "don't worry massive internet outcry by everyone who bought our game, we'll definatly fix it probobly!" which they've allready said (and if their marketing people weren't saying that I'd be genuinely worried about their compotency). I'm also fairly sure they've also said that the ending DLC won't change anything, just explain it more, though it's 2am and I can't be bothered to go find who said that. It's also worth noting that Bioware flat out lies about their games all the time, so the idea that they totally had it planned out this way is kind of ludicrous.

At this point they'd be stupid not to release some DLC to fix the ending, their entire customer base has basically said "we'll throw money at this problem till you make it go away." The problem is that either its something they didn't allready have planned, so it's going to be a crapshoot with standard Bioware writing (see me3 ending) or it's something they DID have planned in which case you just rewarded them money for deliberatly witholding the ending to their 200+ hour game trilogy franchise. I'm 100 percent certain it wont be free, because this is EA and Bioware. They ended the game with "buy more DLC," they have games where NPCs tell you in character "go buy DLC."

Best case scenario is that they'll see all this indoctrination stuff and copy it into the game as a paid DLC. It wont be a good ending, because the indoctrination theory still leaves plot holes and dodgy writing everywhere, but it'll be better than the non-ending we got. Worst case scenario (and probobly much more likely) they'll expand on the crappy ending we allready recieved, since they're pretty adamantly sticking to their guns that this is "art" and everyone allready loves it so there's nothing wrong with it anyway.

[Darkmere]

Ugh, sorry. In the game some characters specifically mention how long its been since shephard left. Meaning that the whole "the more war assets you get, the longer the reapers have had to affect you" theory is kapunct.

Shepard's been working near reaper hardware for the entirety of ME2 (EDI contains reaper hardware, direct from Sovereign). It's also stated in-story that the lab on Virmire was indoctrinating people. Even if you skipped Arrival (where Shep was directly attacked and overwhelmed by an indoctrination device) there's still plenty of time for the long con. Oddly enough, each game doesn't exist in a vacuum.

[Domenique]

All those tweets seem to say is "don't worry massive internet outcry by everyone who bought our game, we'll definatly fix it probobly!" which they've allready said (and if their marketing people weren't saying that I'd be genuinely worried about their compotency). I'm also fairly sure they've also said that the ending DLC won't change anything, just explain it more, though it's 2am and I can't be bothered to go find who said that. It's also worth noting that Bioware flat out lies about their games all the time, so the idea that they totally had it planned out this way is kind of ludicrous.

At this point they'd be stupid not to release some DLC to fix the ending, their entire customer base has basically said "we'll throw money at this problem till you make it go away." The problem is that either its something they didn't allready have planned, so it's going to be a crapshoot with standard Bioware writing (see me3 ending) or it's something they DID have planned in which case you just rewarded them money for deliberatly witholding the ending to their 200+ hour game trilogy franchise. I'm 100 percent certain it wont be free, because this is EA and Bioware. They ended the game with "buy more DLC," they have games where NPCs tell you in character "go buy DLC."

Best case scenario is that they'll see all this indoctrination stuff and copy it into the game as a paid DLC. It wont be a good ending, because the indoctrination theory still leaves plot holes and dodgy writing everywhere, but it'll be better than the non-ending we got. Worst case scenario (and probobly much more likely) they'll expand on the crappy ending we allready recieved, since they're pretty adamantly sticking to their guns that this is "art" and everyone allready loves it so there's nothing wrong with it anyway.

Your pesimism is not uncalled for, but I say, let's just wait a bit. The writing in the game as a whole (ME3) was fine, the ending was bad (or maybe misunderstood). Isn't it strange that they generally create good games, especially in ME franchise, with good endings, and the third one's bad? I know it's gambler's falacy, but it's kinda strange for me. There's no reason that they could've gotten this idea: "Let's make a faux ending and later release the real one." That could happen in any studio. And I doubt that they'd release that as a paid DLC, given the outcry of the fans, they're just gonna, as you said, explain it, in a free dlc. That's my opinion. They see what people are talking about and they don't want to piss them off more. If I'm wrong, then all my faith in Bio has been lost forever.

[Digital Hellhound]

Weren't you defending the endings we got earlier? Huh.

I now spend pretty much 24/7 of my time on the bioware forums, and it's honestly hard to believe the indoctrination theory was planned. They released the ending notes already, for God's sake. (Best part of those was the giant 'LOTS OF SPECULATION!' at the end).

That said, they might just as well work it into the upcoming 'clarification', or hopefully upcoming DLC. But even then, they'd still need to make a new ending afterwards.

And personally, I wouldn't call ME3 up to the ending perfectly fine. It's a good game, and I suspect my memories have been tainted by the ending's crappiness, but I was frustrated with some things even when still playing. I won't go into detail here, as I'm sure other complaints are covered elsewhere already.

[Domenique]

Weren't you defending the endings we got earlier? Huh.

I said it was rushed and a bit misunderstood, I didn't say it was good. In my opinion some arguments were uncalled for, and I defended it against them, but that is because I am always for looking at both sides, I hate when something gets only bashing or only praise, some personality disorder of mine. Personally I didn't find the ending good, but it statisfied me in some way.

[dogstile]

Ugh, sorry. In the game some characters specifically mention how long its been since shephard left. Meaning that the whole "the more war assets you get, the longer the reapers have had to affect you" theory is kapunct.

Shepard's been working near reaper hardware for the entirety of ME2 (EDI contains reaper hardware, direct from Sovereign). It's also stated in-story that the lab on Virmire was indoctrinating people. Even if you skipped Arrival (where Shep was directly attacked and overwhelmed by an indoctrination device) there's still plenty of time for the long con. Oddly enough, each game doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Sarcasm isn't needed dude. I'm well aware each game doesn't exist in a vacumn, i'm just saying that due to the theory that the reapers were indoctrinating him more and more in the third game and it gets worse as you spend more time collecting assets is ruined by the simple phrase "its been a few weeks since you've left".

And please, next time you want to make a counter point, try to be polite about it. I'm doing the same.

[fenrif]

Your pesimism is not uncalled for, but I say, let's just wait a bit. The writing in the game as a whole (ME3) was fine, the ending was bad (or maybe misunderstood). Isn't it strange that they generally create good games, especially in ME franchise, with good endings, and the third one's bad? I know it's gambler's falacy, but it's kinda strange for me. There's no reason that they could've gotten this idea: "Let's make a faux ending and later release the real one." That could happen in any studio. And I doubt that they'd release that as a paid DLC, given the outcry of the fans, they're just gonna, as you said, explain it, in a free dlc. That's my opinion. They see what people are talking about and they don't want to piss them off more. If I'm wrong, then all my faith in Bio has been lost forever.

The ending was bad, not misunderstood. Like magnificently bad. In a medium where crap endings are pretty much par for the course ME3 stands out as probobly one of the worst video game endings ever made.

And I pretty much disagree with everything else you said. They don't generally make good games anymore, see TOR and DA2. I certainly don't think the writing was good in ME3 or ME2 for that matter. ME1 was decent, but I'm starting to think that's because of the same reason the first season of Lost/Heroes was good, they had a blank slate and could coast by on promises for the rest of the plot.

I seriously doubt you'll get free DLC. Even if they do it'll be PC only because they aren't going to eat the costs of the Microsoft certification process out of the good of their hearts. This is based on everything the company has done in the past 5 or so years.

[Domenique]

The ending was bad, not misunderstood. Like magnificently bad. In a medium where crap endings are pretty much par for the course ME3 stands out as probobly one of the worst video game endings ever made.

And I pretty much disagree with everything else you said. They don't generally make good games anymore, see TOR and DA2. I certainly don't think the writing was good in ME3 or ME2 for that matter. ME1 was decent, but I'm starting to think that's because of the same reason the first season of Lost/Heroes was good, they had a blank slate and could coast by on promises for the rest of the plot.

It was magnificently bad in your opinion, I personally have mixed feelings about it. Generally, I rate a game based on wether I enjoyed it or not. I liked DA2, it wasn't perfect, but I still enjoyed it, and I haven't played TOR. And I am not a fanboy, but the writing was fine, the dialogues could've been better, but I've seen worse. It's a matter of opinion. I would say that they don't make good games if that would be several games in a row, but that is not the case.