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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #540 on: March 18, 2012, 04:30:07 pm »

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #541 on: March 18, 2012, 09:54:08 pm »

Right so I've largely caught up on the story with wikipedia and youtube, and boy did they manage to crucify the series.  Aside from the plotholes and myriad unanswered questions (I totally agree with fenrif over the past few pages) my gripes are more artistic.

a)  They clearly went the ego-stroking, emo, teenage-power-fantasy route with Shepard.  I hoped it was just marketing, but that actually made it into the game.  Ugh.

b)  One suspects a large reason for this is that ME3 was clearly, in gameplay and story, trying to emulate Halo.  The ending played out like a nightmare mashup of Halo 3 and Evangelion... Ugh.

c)  The writing was just plain terrible.  I'm a huge fan of the Culture novels by Iain Banks (major influence for Bungee writers) which over the past 30 years or so have pretty much set the bar for hyper-intelligent AI characters.  The Minds think faster and more completely than the combined intelligence of millions of humans, and to actually write a character such as this requires that the author him/herself be actually intelligent, like Banks.

Whoever wrote the
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clearly was not up to the job mentally.  AIs might take the avatar of a child, even the voice of a child, but they do not speak as a child would, they speak like the most intelligent human you have ever met.  The
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should have been the keystone upon which the whole plot rested, but instead it became another idiot-AI that just does what dem humans say because we is humanz.  Like Transformers the movies.  Yeah.  Good job Bioware writers!

Its only purpose ended up being to
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what the I don't even...  what would have been infinitely preferable would be for the
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to make a decision itself based upon Shepard's past actions, with Shepard sitting by helpless having to reap what he has sown...  Shep could try to argue with the
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, justifying himself, but with only the slimmest chance of success.  Though Drew is incredibly diplomatic in his post here, one suspects that what we got was not what was originally planned.

That these people can write for a """"AAA"""" (I can't use enough quotes there) title beggars belief.  Phew.  I'm done now, please continue!

edit - Key plot information from a game thread 500 posts in redacted as requested
« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 10:15:25 pm by hermes »
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #542 on: March 18, 2012, 09:57:35 pm »

Err... you should spoiler that, unless the thread title is changed into Mass Effect 3: Spoilers Ahead!
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #543 on: March 18, 2012, 10:42:36 pm »

Love those edits Hermes!

That Drew Karpyshyn post is quite telling really, because it sounds like the major problem here is that they were making the plot of these games up as they went along. Sure it can be done, but generally I think it hurts the consistency of the story more than not. It's the reason that ME3 ending doesn't really make any sense, because there was no groundwork or leadup to it in the previous games (or in ME3 for that matter). Even the example he gave of being able to use Cerberus in ME2 as a plot device suffered from ME1 portraying them completely differently.

I allready assumed this was the case, as it's the only explanation I could think of for having
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at the start of ME2 and not the end of ME1. Not even coming up with a basic plot outline just seems insane. I mean it's not like you're forced to stick to it if you come up with a better idea. They knew they were making three games, why not at least come up with something. I only hope its because they honestly believed player choice would drastically change the plot, and coming up with all the branching paths would be too time consuming? If only someone could go back and tell them it ended up an "A, B, or C" ending anyway!
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #544 on: March 18, 2012, 10:54:41 pm »

Its only purpose ended up being to
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what the I don't even...  what would have been infinitely preferable would be for the
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to make a decision itself based upon Shepard's past actions, with Shepard sitting by helpless having to reap what he has sown...
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #545 on: March 18, 2012, 11:04:55 pm »

On the other hand, refusing to change the first ending you planned led to the original Fallout 3 ending. They wrote the sacrifice part before deciding on party members, and just didn't bother changing it afterward, when it made no sense. There's ups and downs to everything, I suppose.
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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #546 on: March 19, 2012, 01:24:01 am »

Writing a plot and refusing to change it at all is just as bad as not writing a plot and winging it. The only difference is that if you write it before hand you have the option of using it or not. I'd say it's always better to at least have an idea of what you want to have happen, even if it's subject to change. Rather than just having a vague concept like "synthetic life vs organic life" and leave everything else a mystery untill you're 2 games deep.
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« Reply #547 on: March 19, 2012, 10:29:14 am »

I wanna ask something about a common complaint concerning the ending:
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« Reply #548 on: March 19, 2012, 10:44:34 am »

I wanna ask something about a common complaint concerning the ending:
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I can't remember clearly, but I was under the impression that the Quarian fleet was barely held together, and they had just about enough resources to feed themselves, even then relying on trade and people going on pilgrimmages to keep themselves alive?
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« Reply #549 on: March 19, 2012, 11:06:06 am »

I can't remember clearly, but I was under the impression that the Quarian fleet was barely held together, and they had just about enough resources to feed themselves, even then relying on trade and people going on pilgrimmages to keep themselves alive?

I haven't read the spoiler, but that is correct - they even had mandatory child control to keep the population number as static as possible, because they were at their limits already..
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« Reply #550 on: March 19, 2012, 11:24:55 am »

I wanna ask something about a common complaint concerning the ending:
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I can't remember clearly, but I was under the impression that the Quarian fleet was barely held together, and they had just about enough resources to feed themselves, even then relying on trade and people going on pilgrimmages to keep themselves alive?
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« Reply #551 on: March 19, 2012, 11:43:43 am »

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Re: Mass Effect 3
« Reply #552 on: March 19, 2012, 11:57:45 am »

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And then, they will be weaponized. Like everything in this game, from kittens to babies, everything is a potential device of murder.
So if baseless speculation is all we have, we might as well treat it like fact.

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« Reply #553 on: March 19, 2012, 12:51:29 pm »

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« Reply #554 on: March 19, 2012, 01:54:38 pm »

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And then, they will be weaponized. Like everything in this game, from kittens to babies, everything is a potential device of murder.
So if baseless speculation is all we have, we might as well treat it like fact.
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