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[Kilroy the Grand]

Neverwinter nights 2 wasn't made by Bioware though

You're right, I played so much NWN that the bioware logo is burned into my brain. I'm not a fan of Obsidian either, by the way.

[Darkmere]

Hm... so the consensus of what I hear is 'play them for the game, not for the story', since I've yet to find anyone who is more then grudgingly OK with the ending of the series (or at least the third game), and I generally hear more bad then good about anything but the gameplay of (parts) of the games.

There's more to the plot than the last 10 minutes of an 75+ hour trilogy. Seriously. That's like hating all of Lord of the Rings because Frodo hops on a boat in the end.

Gameplay wise, if you enjoy cover shooters with tactical elements, you'll probably enjoy it. If you don't... you probably won't enjoy it. Keep in mind most of the people who enjoy it are busy playing it instead of raging on the internet. That goes for pretty much anything else, for that matter.

[Gotdamnmiracle]

Neverwinter nights 2 wasn't made by Bioware though

You're right, I played so much NWN that the bioware logo is burned into my brain. I'm not a fan of Obsidian either, by the way.

Yeah. Obsidian is good at making stories and pathways with many winding twists and turns. They just aren't good at making games. I hate to say it but I think Bethesda is the best bet for a quality RPG game out there. Although maybe the opinion of Bethesda has changed since Skyrim to one of awe, but I remember Oblivion and that game was a barrel of monkeys. This is why I GM.

I also like From Software. Dark Souls and Demon souls are fucking awesome. I don't care how japanese they are, how hard they are, how difficult the interface is, THEY ARE SO PRETTY!! And pretty epic too.

[Kilroy the Grand]

Neverwinter nights 2 wasn't made by Bioware though

You're right, I played so much NWN that the bioware logo is burned into my brain. I'm not a fan of Obsidian either, by the way.

are fucking awesome. I don't care how japanese they are, how hard they are, how difficult the interface is, THEY ARE SO PRETTY!! And pretty epic too.

Those games have the best atmosphere, the fighting feels fluid, and I loved rounding a corner to find a corpse covered with loot. They feel like hardcore RPGs, where the DM is a fucking prick, looking to kill you at every turn... so best RPGs I've played in awhile.

[hermes]

Hm... so the consensus of what I hear is 'play them for the game, not for the story', since I've yet to find anyone who is more then grudgingly OK with the ending of the series (or at least the third game), and I generally hear more bad then good about anything but the gameplay of (parts) of the games.

That's too bad, I normally consider Bioware one of the best game makers, so it's sad to see one of their own-universe offerings fall off so badly.

Sounds about right to me.

Thanks for all the replies guys, along with the Gamecritics podcast where Brad Galloway said pretty much the same thing, I'm gonna hit youtube and finish off the series for free

[squeakyReaper]

I'd say rather than playing it for the game, play it for the interpersonal dialogue. While the plot is fairly stock (and the ending is beyond fairly horrid), the discussions crew mates have between themselves or with you is brilliant. "Emergency induction port", hehe.

[umiman]

I especially loved Shepard's reaction when EDI said she sometimes forgets to recycle the oxygen.

[Microcline]

Neverwinter nights 2 wasn't made by Bioware though

You're right, I played so much NWN that the bioware logo is burned into my brain. I'm not a fan of Obsidian either, by the way.

Yeah. Obsidian is good at making stories and pathways with many winding twists and turns. They just aren't good at making games. I hate to say it but I think Bethesda is the best bet for a quality RPG game out there. Although maybe the opinion of Bethesda has changed since Skyrim to one of awe, but I remember Oblivion and that game was a barrel of monkeys. This is why I GM.

I also like From Software. Dark Souls and Demon Souls are fucking awesome. I don't care how Japanese they are, how hard they are, how difficult the interface is, THEY ARE SO PRETTY!! And pretty epic too.

At first I was a bit hesitant to call them RPGs, but I have to admit the Souls series channels the spirit of old-school AD&D DMs who would show up in mittens, a hood, pig tail socks, and a stack of twenty cloaks and convince the group that running Tomb of Horrors is a good idea.  Obsidian/Black Isle always struck me as the group most trying to replicate the PnP feel.  Bioware reminds me of an insecure, first-time 4E DM who segregates his game into combat zones, dialog zones, dance zones, and cutscenes, and Bethesda, while an overall respectable developer, seems entirely too fixated on AI and procedural content despite being terrible at coding AI and procedural content.  I try not to think too much about a concrete definition of cRPG, though, as it always ends up either too inclusive ("Halo is an RPG") or exclusive ("SS13 is the only cRPG").

There's a pretty good summary of what went wrong with the ending here.  I find it kind of funny that it's not until a week after release (where all publications scream "11/10 GOTYAY BUYBUYBUY") that game critics realize they actually need to mention the flaws of a work to avoid people getting wise to their antics.  At least people are finally realizing that expecting ethics or journalistic integrity from game media is like expecting Lucy to let you kick the football.

[Domenique]

The reviews were too good, though in all honesty the two things that made me raise an eyebrow were some cliche dialogues, the repetetive endings and streamlined missions. If I was a reviewer, I would give atleast a strong 8, you can't hate a game simply because you didn't like that the endings were unfinished.

[ukulele]

The reviews were too good, though in all honesty the two things that made me raise an eyebrow were some cliche dialogues, the repetetive endings and streamlined missions. If I was a reviewer, I would give atleast a strong 8, you can't hate a game simply because you didn't like that the endings were unfinished.

Id give it a 6 or something arround that, you cant make a game that was based on some exploring and lots of decision to have diferent responses and endings, to this: You have only 3 choices in the game, Preatty much 90% of the game its linear, nothing you do until the last 30 seconds changes the ending.

[Domenique]

You're only giving one reason not to like the game, and that is that you couldn't get the ending that you wanted, while the ending should be something that the writers want to be. Some like closure, some like speculation, you can't please everyone. There was a reflection of your choices in galactic readiness. It's not like they've said: "Yeah, everything you do affects the ending".

you cant make a game that was based on some exploring and lots of decision to have diferent responses and endings

Where does it say that, the bible?

[Heliman]

Where does it say that, the bible?

Dude, what the hell?

[Digital Hellhound]

No, it says so in the other games and dozens of dev interviews all the way up to the release of the third. Why exactly do you want to be so hostile to everyone here? We get it that you didn't mid the ending and envy you for it, but jeez.

[Sergius]

You're only giving one reason not to like the game, and that is that you couldn't get the ending that you wanted, while the ending should be something that the writers want to be. Some like closure, some like speculation, you can't please everyone. There was a reflection of your choices in galactic readiness. It's not like they've said: "Yeah, everything you do affects the ending".

you cant make a game that was based on some exploring and lots of decision to have diferent responses and endings

Where does it say that, the bible?

It was the Jews? I knew it!

[Gotdamnmiracle]

Where does it say that, the bible?

Dude, what the hell?

Wacky.