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[Tellemurius]

oh shut up you big baby.

[Zangi]

Already got em.  I actually prefer playing some games on the console over the PC ya know...

Philistine.

I like to refer to it as polygamy.  No need to anchor myself to a single system.  Why not have em all?

[Sordid]

I like to refer to it as polygamy.  No need to anchor myself to a single system.  Why not have em all?

Because some are not worth having? Just because I can have a fat, ugly-ass chick and my gorgeous girlfriend doesn't mind, that doesn't mean I want to.

[Zangi]

Ya know... this is getting nowhere.  "I'm 'wrong' and you are right." and lets leave it at that.


Also....
Demons Souls' total conversion mod would be epic for a TES game.

[KaguroDraven]

Some games are better suited to Consoles than PCs, good games at that. I see it like this, with PCs you have a rediculas amount of control over what you do but it isn't as smooth becouse the controls can be all over the keyboard. Consoles have much less control, but control much smoother. Games like Prototype, which I personilly love, rely on quick smooth movement and control, it just wouldn't work as well on a PC.

[PTTG??]

The problem is that you can plug a controller into a PC. You can't plug a keyboard into a console.

[Tellemurius]

what do you guys want, another famicom?

[Sordid]

The problem is that you can plug a controller into a PC. You can't plug a keyboard into a console.

Actually yeah, you can. But not a lot of games make a meaningful use of them.
Way I see it, the PC can do everything consoles can, but consoles can't do everything the PC can. I do admit their controllers are better, though. After trying five or so different PC gamepads I just said screw that and bought myself a PS3 one.

[LoSboccacc]

The problem is that you can plug a controller into a PC. You can't plug a keyboard into a console.

Actually yeah, you can. But not a lot of games make a meaningful use of them.
Way I see it, the PC can do everything consoles can, but consoles can't do everything the PC can. I do admit their controllers are better, though. After trying five or so different PC gamepads I just said screw that and bought myself a PS3 one.

it way simpler: console maker have top tier loss leader exclusive for their console (gran turismo, forza, killzone, fable, halo) exactly for the purpose of differentiation from their worst competitor, pc.

pc platform on the other hand has lost his momentum as microsoft is now focused on loss leaders to push its own console. so the pc market share shrink, or at least, you have an artificial reason to buy a pc and a console.

[Virtz]

Games like Prototype, which I personilly love, rely on quick smooth movement and control, it just wouldn't work as well on a PC.

Worked pretty well for me.

[Ephemeriis]

Some games are better suited to Consoles than PCs, good games at that. I see it like this, with PCs you have a rediculas amount of control over what you do but it isn't as smooth becouse the controls can be all over the keyboard. Consoles have much less control, but control much smoother. Games like Prototype, which I personilly love, rely on quick smooth movement and control, it just wouldn't work as well on a PC.

I'm really not sure how that makes sense.

Sure, I guess if you want to map your movement keys to WASD and then stick your jump key on NUMPAD0 you're going to have some awkward controls...  But most folks don't do that.

I generally map my movement to ESDF.  That puts my thumb right over the SPACEBAR, which is typically used for jumping, and my pinky over A, which I'll typically map to something that's going to get a lot of use - a 'use' key, or run, or crouch, or something like that.  That leaves me with ~12 more keys within easy reach of my left hand.  Plus about 5 mouse buttons. 

I can manage quick, smooth movement and control just fine.

The problem is that you can plug a controller into a PC. You can't plug a keyboard into a console.

Why not?

I haven't played on a console recently, so maybe they've become absolutely stupid and crippled in the intervening years...  But the PS2 had straight-up USB ports on it.  And you could plug pretty much any USB keyboard and mouse into it.  And you could even run Linux on the thing.

The original Xbox didn't have any official keyboards available, but you could make one work.

I thought the PS3 also had support for Linux, which would mean keyboard support...

Regardless of all that...  We're talking about electronics and software here.  There's absolutely no reason at all why you couldn't use a keyboard and mouse on a console.  Maybe the developer doesn't want to support it...  But that's just a choice.  It isn't some physical impossibility just because it's a console.

I mean, hell, look at the beastly controller they developed for Steel Battalion.

[GaelicVigil]

The problem is that you can plug a controller into a PC. You can't plug a keyboard into a console.

Why not?

I haven't played on a console recently, so maybe they've become absolutely stupid and crippled in the intervening years...  But the PS2 had straight-up USB ports on it.  And you could plug pretty much any USB keyboard and mouse into it.  And you could even run Linux on the thing.

The original Xbox didn't have any official keyboards available, but you could make one work.

I thought the PS3 also had support for Linux, which would mean keyboard support...

Regardless of all that...  We're talking about electronics and software here.  There's absolutely no reason at all why you couldn't use a keyboard and mouse on a console.  Maybe the developer doesn't want to support it...  But that's just a choice.  It isn't some physical impossibility just because it's a console.

I mean, hell, look at the beastly controller they developed for Steel Battalion.

Yes, technically you can plug a keyboard into a Console, but only a select few games actually make use of it.  On the other hand, you can make any PC game compatible with a controller (or any other control scheme) either though the interface itself, or by using third-party software.

Heck, some guy even got his Kinect to play Minecraft on his PC.  I'd love to see someone try to use a keyboard and mouse on their XBox and play Halo even close to the level of someone playing with a controller on their PC.

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[Sordid]

Some games are better suited to Consoles than PCs, good games at that. I see it like this, with PCs you have a rediculas amount of control over what you do but it isn't as smooth becouse the controls can be all over the keyboard. Consoles have much less control, but control much smoother. Games like Prototype, which I personilly love, rely on quick smooth movement and control, it just wouldn't work as well on a PC.

I'm really not sure how that makes sense.

Sure, I guess if you want to map your movement keys to WASD and then stick your jump key on NUMPAD0 you're going to have some awkward controls...  But most folks don't do that.

I generally map my movement to ESDF.  That puts my thumb right over the SPACEBAR, which is typically used for jumping, and my pinky over A, which I'll typically map to something that's going to get a lot of use - a 'use' key, or run, or crouch, or something like that.  That leaves me with ~12 more keys within easy reach of my left hand.  Plus about 5 mouse buttons. 

I can manage quick, smooth movement and control just fine.

I think he meant analog input via the sticks (and pressure-sensitive buttons, although almost no games utilize that). Try as you might, you're not getting that from a keyboard. Like I said earlier, the controller is a fantastic invention. I just see no reason to plug it into a console.

it way simpler: console maker have top tier loss leader exclusive for their console (gran turismo, forza, killzone, fable, halo) exactly for the purpose of differentiation from their worst competitor, pc.

pc platform on the other hand has lost his momentum as microsoft is now focused on loss leaders to push its own console. so the pc market share shrink, or at least, you have an artificial reason to buy a pc and a console.

Yeah, the exclusive games are the only thing consoles have going for them. But they need those, as you point out, to stand out against the PC. If these were on the PC as well, nobody would bother. Though to be quite fair, the only really good one out of those you mention is Gran Turismo. Forza's a knock-off of that, I'd rather have the original, so no thanks. Don't even know what Killzone is, and we have Fable and Fable 3 on the PC as well. The reason the Halo games stopped coming to the PC is that they're completely mediocre shooters than can only awe console kiddies who have never played a proper one, but of course PC gamers gave them a rightfully deserved lukewarm reception. I would also add Team Ico games to that list, particularly their new thing for the PS3, Last Guardian I think it's going to be called. That looks superb, but of course as Penny Arcade pointed out, there are only two ways it can possibly end - the boy dies or the griffin dies. Still, if their previous games are any indication, it's going to be fantastic.

[Shadowlord]

and we have Fable and Fable 3 on the PC as well.

It's nice to see that you continue to live in a completely make-believe world.

[Zangi]

and we have Fable and Fable 3 on the PC as well.

It's nice to see that you continue to live in a completely make-believe world.

One can only hope.