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[Kitsunin]

The idea of having a speech skill isn't a bad thing, necessarily, it's just so stupid the way it was in Obvlivion, I would be happy if they kept the skill but replaced it with something like the system in FO3.

[KaguroDraven]

I rarely bothered with the mini-game, If I needed a higher disposition for something I pulled out my sword, for the -10 to disposition, talked, threw money at them, left convo, put away sword, viola, lots of dispositon, almost always works to get someone to 80 or above, which is what you usually need to open up 'new' things in a quest conversation line.

[Cheese]

Oh wow, the theme tune sounds so awesome.
Sound stuff and theme tune here. Video 4 is the one with the theme tune.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Wow... that really makes me sad.  I loved the Morrowind Theme, but then the Oblivion theme was just the Morrowind theme minus soul.  Now this one actually sounds like an interesting take even if they're still using the exact same song.  What makes me sad is that I just can't see myself enjoying this game.

[Cheese]

Is this just because Oblivion sucked?

I agree with the theme tunes, but I guess the Oblivion theme tune was designed to sound all empirical, Cyrodiil being the birthplace of the Empire.

[Javarock]

This may sound strange...

But in Fallout 3, And new vegas you could actually shoot body parts off corpses ((Of course this is assumeing they weren't off before))

Will this be able to be done in skyrim... I would love to butcher the dead.... Better yet will it be possible useing a mage ((My mages are useally fire )) You can set corpses ablaze?

I hope so.

[Cheese]

They're using a new engine, so it might even be improved. Or it could be removed altogether or not implemented in TES. Not sure about setting corpses alight.

[AntiAntiMatter]

Wow... that really makes me sad.  I loved the Morrowind Theme, but then the Oblivion theme was just the Morrowind theme minus soul. 

The Oblivion theme was not the Morrowind theme minus soul. It was something else. But it did lack the beauty and soul of Morrowind's theme.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Wow... that really makes me sad.  I loved the Morrowind Theme, but then the Oblivion theme was just the Morrowind theme minus soul. 

The Oblivion theme was not the Morrowind theme minus soul. It was something else. But it did lack the beauty and soul of Morrowind's theme.

Um... What I mean is it was the Morrowind theme made all generic fantasyish.  Not even "empirical" (which BTW does not mean what you think it means Cheese) so much as Baldur's Gatey.  Well Ok, the first part sounds a lot like the Pirates of the Caribbean theme song and the rest sounds like the Baldur's Gate 2 sound track.  Yeah I know sounding like something else isn't necessarily bad, but Oblivion's problem is that pretty much everything it did was a blatant cash in on something else.

Morrowind
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2E2v-u8Bsc]Oblivion[/url]

[Omegastick]

I really don't know why you people all hate Oblivion so much, it was an amazing game with an amazing soundtrack as far as I'm concerned.

[Jehdin]

I really don't know why you people all hate Oblivion so much, it was an amazing game with an amazing soundtrack as far as I'm concerned.

I don't care one way or the other about soundtracks, but the game itself was just very generic, especially when compared to Morrowind. Generic landscape, generic dungeons, generic people, generic items... They used leveled loot lists which meant there were very few unique items to find, and once you were level 30 or so it was all daedric. You'd even find bandits in daedric armor.

Then there was the whole leveled enemies thing, which was just a horrible idea. Leveling felt pointless and was sometimes even a hindrance because everything leveled with you and if you didn't get everything you could out of a level, you'd be underpowered.

Also, items were tagged as stolen and shopkeepers no longer stored the items they had for sale on-site, they just burst into existence when you bought them. It made playing a thief almost impossible.

Edit: Of course, with about 20 or so mods, this could all be (mostly) fixed and Oblivion could be a decent game.

[Omegastick]

I was just about to remind you of mods but then I saw your edit. How many other games can you honestly say that you can mod as much as Oblivion? The only ones that I can think of is Morrowind and Fallout 3/New Vegas. Morrowind is an outdated game and FO3 is a different setting and moderately different genre.

[Rakonas]

I was just about to remind you of mods but then I saw your edit. How many other games can you honestly say that you can mod as much as Oblivion? The only ones that I can think of is Morrowind and Fallout 3/New Vegas. Morrowind is an outdated game and FO3 is a different setting and moderately different genre.

Games that I can mod as much as Oblivion?
 I've easily modded Europa Universalis 3, Victoria 2, Crusader Kings..
Bethesda games aren't really that easy to mod deep down.

[Nivim]

 This reminded me I need to go back and grab the Morrowind music... I'll add my assent that vanilla Morrowind was a much better game than vanilla Oblivion. Unless of course you're just in it to watch the effects from things being killed horribly and blasted around. Or perhaps setting up dominos/Rube-Goldberg devices with the editor and watching them go.

[Jehdin]

I was just about to remind you of mods but then I saw your edit. How many other games can you honestly say that you can mod as much as Oblivion? The only ones that I can think of is Morrowind and Fallout 3/New Vegas. Morrowind is an outdated game and FO3 is a different setting and moderately different genre.

I was just saying that's why many people hate the vanilla game.

The construction set is, of course, a game-changer. I would certainly play a modded Oblivion over a modded Morrowind now. At release it was a different story, though.