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[Shade-o]

There is a distinct difference between being smart enough to learn and use magic, like most fantasy humanoid wizards and warlocks and whatnot, and just being innately magical with no correlation to intelligence.

Since a dragon would need magic just to perform basic dragon-related functions, and the prevalence of dragon blood/horn/scale/hide/fire/muscle/bone/eggs being used as magical reagents, it would be safe to assume that they don't go to some sort of magic academy to learn how to fly or breathe fire or stop their bodies from collapsing under their own weight.

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There is a distinct difference between being smart enough to learn and use magic (...) and just being innately magical with no correlation to intelligence.

What, you mean like the Oblivion (and probably Skyrim) protagonist?

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[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Hey guys, stop getting off topic!  We aren't here to argue about the legitimacy of people's varying tastes in relation to the representation of dragons we're here to discuss how much Skyrim is going to suck!

Wow, is it 2006 in here? Because I swear it's like reading Oblivion's early hype.

Bethesda, the company that shamelessly does what they've done before even when it hasn't worked.

They fact they haven't re-dubbed the Radiant system as something else just kind of reinforces that.

Still, who isn't looking forward to finding random dead people in the city and not caring why they got there?

That's not true.  The made tons of money therefore they succeeded.  That was the whole point of everything they did with Oblivion in the first place.  Huge mass appeal, huge sales, huge profit, huge success.

[Javarock]

Sounds good. I don't like the return of level-scaling, though, nor do I like the idea of random-quests much.

What the....

What forums do you think your on!?!

Were on the bay12 forums for godsakes >_<

On another note

Despite the fact it may have lied about some features and probley will in skyrim the point remaisn it will still BE A GOOD GAME, And completely worth any money you sink in for it...
Personally im going for the consol game due to the fact haveing it on a computer sounds like a lag fest unless you have a higher end -EVERYTHING-
Also, Can we all agree what ever game made by bethseda is worth the money.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I can't.  I thought Oblivion was worth something less that ten dollars from the enjoyment I got out of it, and I paid 60.

And I would never get a Bethesda game for a console ever.  As bad as their modern games have been, at least they still allow you to fix them.  The consoles don't get any of that even thought they're now the primary platform.

Also, we're not on the bay12 forums for Dwarf Fortress, we're on the Bay 12 forums for every game that isn't Dwarf Fortress (and the other games bay12 has made)!

[Cheese]

I really have no problem with the portrayal of huge unrealistic dragons, I mean, we are talking about fantasy, right?  If people can shoot fire from their hands then who's to say a dragon isn't using magic to fly.  What I do have a problem with, is when these dragons aren't intelligent, if they are smart enough to use magic they better damn well be smart enough to realize they get more out of controlling a town than just burning it to a crisp.

That's my personal taste, though, I like dragons that can talk, strategize, maybe they can even change into a human form.  Obviously though, this is pretty far from the fantasy norm, dragons are obviously big flying brutes that enjoy nothing but destroying things.

This is my big problem with how dragons are used. Always the big dumb scary monster thing. If they are smart enough to use magic, why would they just burn down a village, and why aren't there more good ones? They're always the "pet" of the main villain, but almost never a main villain themselves, and they're almost never NOT evil anyway. The problem with dragons is not so much the physical characteristics as the use of them as a plot device rather than characters.

Changing into a human form is just kind of silly, but I agree with the rest of that.

I think the dragons are burning towns to a crisp because they want to destroy Nirn/The mortal plane to be released from mortality and reconnected to the divine, like the elves.. Perhaps the are being driven along, mindlessly, by Alduin.

[Kitsunin]

Okay, I'll admit most people don't like the idea of dragons having human forms, I'm somewhat of a furry myself (What can I say?  I think anthropomorphism is neat.) so dragon humans are cool in my opinion.

As for why they would have wings, there are explanations, maybe it takes way less energy to use a feather spell than a levitation spell, so they make themselves light enough that the wings are capable of lifting them.

Mostly I think, like CrownofFire, that the main problem is that they are used as plot devices rather than characters...

[Vibhor]

I would love if they made duel wielding possible.
You would be able to wield magic and sword,shield and sword,sword and sword and magic and magic
That would make the combat complex though

[Rose]

That would make the combat complex though

you say that like it's a bad thing

[Boksi]

I would love if they made duel wielding possible.
You would be able to wield magic and sword,shield and sword,sword and sword and magic and magic
That would make the combat complex though

But can you dual wield dual wields, so that you can dual wield dual wielded bows?

[Kitsunin]

You would be able to wield magic and sword,shield and sword,sword and sword and magic and magic

So I'm not allowed to use a bow and magic?  Meh 

[Dagoth Urist]

www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride

On the different time-dragons

    Don't forget that gods can be shaped by the mythopoeic forces of the mantlers-- so Tosh Raka could be an Akaviri avatar of Akatosh with a grudge against his mirror-brother in Cyrodiil.

    Just like Akatosh-as-we-usually-know-him could time-scheme against his mirror-brother of the Nords, Alduin, to keep the present kalpa-- perhaps his favorite-- from being eaten.

    Notice all the coulds.

This could be relevant to TES V: Skyrim...

[Cheese]

Also;

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

The Ysmir line is dead and so is His stranglehold on the mythic.

So the Akavir would save Tamriel? It would be interesting to see the Akavir help re-make the Empire and defeat Alduin/The Elves.

[Akura]

I would love if they made duel wielding possible.
You would be able to wield magic and sword,shield and sword,sword and sword and magic and magic
That would make the combat complex though

But can you dual wield dual wields, so that you can dual wield dual wielded bows?

And take the ability to fire three arrows at once, which applies to each bow.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

That would make the combat complex though

you say that like it's a bad thing

As far as Bethesda complex is a bad thing.  Evert single TES game after Daggerfall has been simpler than the last.  Why would they add more complexity and ruin their streak?