Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[612DwarfAvenue]

a super mutant problem like in FO1 (even though it's like a hundred years later and it doesn't make sense).

What do you mean, it doesn't it make sense? The surviving Supermutants started going east after FO1, who says after a hundred years they haven't reached D.C. by then?

[Grakelin]

They're making more in DC when you arrive, and the ones you meet are 'Eastern' Super Mutants.

[612DwarfAvenue]

Vault 87 (which is in D.C.) was supplied with a large amount of FEV, and then as part of the Vault Experiment people there were injected with it in 2077.

Flash-forward 200 years later, and they're capturing people to turn them into more Supermutants.

[Glowcat]

The surviving Supermutants started going east after FO1, who says after a hundred years they haven't reached D.C. by then?

Different Super Mutants.

The Capital Wasteland's FEV created a mutant variant who'd grow bigger and dumber than even the dumbest, to quote Tabitha, Dumb-Dumbs.
They were created separately and escaped took over on their own... which makes Virtz's claim indecipherable to me.

[Sergius]

One thing that doesn't make sense, if these mutants are so freaking stupid compared to the western ones, and they get dumber as they get older (so they got no leadership to speak of), how can they manage to gear up, manage the mutant conversion process, and use something that resembles tactics in combat...

I mean, they're explicitly dumber than their cousins, too dumb to be any real coordinated threat to the Wasteland.

[Scaraban]

One thing that doesn't make sense, if these mutants are so freaking stupid compared to the western ones, and they get dumber as they get older (so they got no leadership to speak of), how can they manage to gear up, manage the mutant conversion process, and use something that resembles tactics in combat...

I mean, they're explicitly dumber than their cousins, too dumb to be any real coordinated threat to the Wasteland.

It's basically the zombie effect, sure they're stupid but there is just so damn many of them, and there a bitch to take down.

[Sergius]

One thing that doesn't make sense, if these mutants are so freaking stupid compared to the western ones, and they get dumber as they get older (so they got no leadership to speak of), how can they manage to gear up, manage the mutant conversion process, and use something that resembles tactics in combat...

I mean, they're explicitly dumber than their cousins, too dumb to be any real coordinated threat to the Wasteland.

It's basically the zombie effect, sure they're stupid but there is just so damn many of them, and there a bitch to take down.

Yes but they have to understand how to work their mutant-making equipment, and procure high-tech weapons and ammo, not to mention fix/reload it as necessary.

[612DwarfAvenue]

The surviving Supermutants started going east after FO1, who says after a hundred years they haven't reached D.C. by then?

Different Super Mutants.

The Capital Wasteland's FEV created a mutant variant who'd grow bigger and dumber than even the dumbest, to quote Tabitha, Dumb-Dumbs.
They were created separately and escaped took over on their own... which makes Virtz's claim indecipherable to me.

Vault 87 (which is in D.C.) was supplied with a large amount of FEV, and then as part of the Vault Experiment people there were injected with it in 2077.

Flash-forward 200 years later, and they're capturing people to turn them into more Supermutants.

Already corrected myself .

[Vherid]

One thing that doesn't make sense, if these mutants are so freaking stupid compared to the western ones, and they get dumber as they get older (so they got no leadership to speak of), how can they manage to gear up, manage the mutant conversion process, and use something that resembles tactics in combat...

I mean, they're explicitly dumber than their cousins, too dumb to be any real coordinated threat to the Wasteland.

It's basically the zombie effect, sure they're stupid but there is just so damn many of them, and there a bitch to take down.

Yes but they have to understand how to work their mutant-making equipment, and procure high-tech weapons and ammo, not to mention fix/reload it as necessary.

Cavemen.

[Virtz]

a super mutant problem like in FO1 (even though it's like a hundred years later and it doesn't make sense).

What do you mean, it doesn't it make sense? The surviving Supermutants started going east after FO1, who says after a hundred years they haven't reached D.C. by then?

The brackets are supposed to refer to the entire sentence, though I guess it doesn't look like it. The hundred years later part refers strictly to the water problem and the not making sense part refers to all of them. It's just all shoved in there to make it "Fallout".

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

BOS doesn't make any sense because they've always been low on pople. I doubt they'd let an expedition, no matter how worthless, go out way over to the DC area. And that's already assuming everything in between California and DC was completely worthless. It wasn't, though. The tech they find in the East is completely fucking worthless considering the effort they had to go through to get to DC on foot. You have to wonder what sort of cretin would go to a completely detached area based on something he just heard of rather than do the rational thing and expand somewhat closer to the main base so that his people ain't completely boned in case something goes wrong.

The water problem doesn't make any sense because it wasn't even that much of a problem to begin with in FO1. The Hub managed to purify and offer water for a price even then. And in such amounts that they could supply an entire vault for some time. All they really had to do in the DC area was take over a random vault with a working water chip and bam - wa-wa! Heck, if they got ambitious, they could even create further water purifiers based on that. But no. We need a storyline tie-in to FO1 or something.

And finally super mutants. These aren't the super mutants from the West. These are all Uruk-Hai who eat people and they can even grow into cave trolls apparently (while over-exposure to FEV should turn you into a pile of goop similar to Dr. Grey, really). Even though experiments on the FEV were supposed to be confined to the military base in the West, now they have something like a completely different strain? And out in the freaking far East of all places? In the DC area?? You'd think they'd stick the potentially deadly experimental virus somewhere farther from the freaking capitol. And probably close to the military base so that they could keep the results updated before the bombs dropped and continue right where they left off.

If it was any one of these just slipped in there to reference the previous games or something, then it would've probably been ok. But this is essentially screaming "Hey, morons! Look! It's Fallout! Really! There's BOS, Super Mutants, a water problem and the Enclave! It's Fallout!". It also suggests that there's completely nothing of interest outside of what we've seen in the West coast to the extent that the stuff from the West coast must be brought in to make the East coast interesting at all.

[Shadowlord]

Interesting things of note:
John Henry Eden, President of the Enclave, President of America, President... of your heart.
Liberty Prime
Galaxy News Radio
Swimming in the river
Various vaults

Most Disappointing Thing to Happen in Fallout 3:
"Oh cool, I get to be a Vault Loyalty Inspector! This is gonna be an awesome game about being the Man in a repressive Vault, and..." [Fade out to Amata waking you up years later because the Vault Security and the Overseer all want to kill you.] "Whaaaat."

[jmancube]

Don't forget nuking megaton, that was pretty satisfying. The most disappointing thing to happen to FO3 for me is the fact that it refuses to work well on my PC for longer than an  hour or two before crashing.

[Sergius]

One thing that doesn't make sense, if these mutants are so freaking stupid compared to the western ones, and they get dumber as they get older (so they got no leadership to speak of), how can they manage to gear up, manage the mutant conversion process, and use something that resembles tactics in combat...

I mean, they're explicitly dumber than their cousins, too dumb to be any real coordinated threat to the Wasteland.

It's basically the zombie effect, sure they're stupid but there is just so damn many of them, and there a bitch to take down.

Yes but they have to understand how to work their mutant-making equipment, and procure high-tech weapons and ammo, not to mention fix/reload it as necessary.

Cavemen.

Cavemen were actually quite smart and had great problem-solving capabilities, and they invented a bunch of stuff to make things easier for them. They also painted.

[LoSboccacc]

Speaking of not Minecraft related, I got to see the Skyrim demo (thanks, Tim), and it’s freaking amazing. While the dragons in the demo were obviously scripted (he knew exactly where they would land and such), they claim they’re fully dynamic and unscripted in the full game.

from the notch blog.

I don't know if this is good (they claim dragons will be fully dynamic) or bad (they're actually not).

[Rose]

remember what they said about radiant AI?