Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[wurli]

I remember long, long ago when thsi thread was about Wikileaks

Of note, Anonymous will apparently stop the DDOSing,  not sure if it will hold.

Yeah, I do too.  How exactly is that going to happen?  "Anonymous" doesn't "stop" anything.  They start, and then it peters out as the subject fades away.  What, does WikiLeaks have it's own Wise Beard Man now?

They claim to have reached their goal
So they stopped.

[Cthulhu]

So what was their goal?

[SalmonGod]

As soon as someone expresses interest in a position of authority, I find it hard to trust them.  There's no reason to desire power unless in pursuit of an agenda, which almost certainly falls into one of two categories.

1.  Personal Ambition
2.  Conceited belief that one knows how others should live

3.  Because it's the best thing to do

A recent example is that me and a group of other people are renting a house for a year next year. When we were putting all our names down, there came the question of who should be head tenant - the position of head tenant is one of responsibility, and since you become the middle man between the letting agency and the rest of the tenants, it can also be considered a position of authority.

Not exactly.  I doubt you were awarded too much coercive ability, and if you tried to abuse your position, I'm sure that retribution would be swift and exact within a small group.

Interesting. So you're at roughly the hunter/gatherer stage of social development then? Don't worry, there are still a few likeminded societies left, you could go join them! You would have to give up all those modern things like medicine, industry, sanitary food, actual housing, electricity, and internet access, but all those are just Authoritarian Chains that totally require logistics, organization, and other Authoritarian Bullshit, so you'll probably be happier.

Organization does not require coercive authority.  I don't know why people get so stuck on this idea.  All that's required for organization is collective agreement on a goal, and someone with knowledge of how to attain that goal to guide (not threaten) other members of the group if the knowledge isn't universal.  Disagreement shouldn't result in punishment, only non-participation.  And I can explain to you how every one of those modern benefits you listed is actually hindered by authoritative hierarchy if you wish.

This thread's getting seriously derailed, though.  Any new developments on the topic?  I just woke up.

[Leafsnail]

I was going to respond that you obviously don't get to know who'll be jurying you, because the juries change all the time, but then I realized Wikileaks exists...

Not wikileaks, really.  It wouldn't be that hard to find the building where the jury are meeting.

They all sound perfect when you apply them to simplified models of reality (massless, frictionless pulleys and the like).

Damnit, noone listened to my theoretical "Newtonian" political system...

[wurli]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

[smjjames]

@SalmonGod: There hasn't really been anything new and with the hacker attack stuff cooling off. The news focus in the US is on the weather and primarily the tax stuff.

[Lovechild]

I just saw a very informative documentary on Wikileaks, including a summary of its history, its most important leaks, and interviews with Assange and other people. You can watch it in English here.

[Cthulhu]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

[wurli]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

never said otherwise
it's what they say in their press release

I'm surprised it wasn't "for the lulz"

[Graebeard]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

I call bullshit on you.  Raising awareness is exceedingly important to any kind of cause.  Remember the sit-ins in the 60's here in the U.S.  It wasn't about filling up tables so the diner didn't have customers, it was about drawing attention to injustice.  I'm not saying anonymous is Roas Parks, but the goal itself is laudable.

[Criptfeind]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

never said otherwise
it's what they say in their press release

I'm surprised it wasn't "for the lulz"

How can a non entity have a 'press release'?

[wurli]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

never said otherwise
it's what they say in their press release

I'm surprised it wasn't "for the lulz"

How can a non entity have a 'press release'?

Don't know if its legit. Can't be entirely sure.
I think they have to communicate somehow with outsiders to make more people aware.

I hope no one minds me posting this here.
http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf

[Jreengus]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

Lets be honest it's anonymous we're talking about here, their goal was attention seeking and kidding themselves into thinking that they "uber leet hackers".

[Virex]

So what was their goal?

raising awareness about Wikileaks

"raising awareness" is the most bullshit cause ever, and is just a way to act like you're involved in something without actually doing anything.

never said otherwise
it's what they say in their press release

I'm surprised it wasn't "for the lulz"

How can a non entity have a 'press release'?

It's not like you have to be someone to get on TV nowadays

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Or in some cases, getting on tv will make you less than someone.

Oh hello there coldblood