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[Pillow_Killer]

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[Sowelu]

That is a very, very big picture.

[Tsarwash]

So what are the ACTUAL rape allegation, because I just cannot find them. I have seen rumours about it. One suggests that they met, she gave him a blow job in a cinema, then they slept together in a hotel or such, with a condom. Then the next morning they slept together  without a condom. Another suggests that they slept together but the condom was ripped, and he is accused of ripping it deliberately. I am keeping an open mind on this, but the facts do not seem to be forthcoming.

Outside of the rape allegations, the arrest, refusal of bail, and fast track extradition seems to clearly be political, in order to get him either back to Sweden as swiftly as possible and then extradited to the US. Or to hold him in the UK for a while, until the US lawyers can build a credible case against him regarding the Wikileaks issues. Certainly normal rape accusees do not get treated in this way. It is not normal to refuse bail to rape accusees, or to try to extradite them in such a fashion. If the guy is guilty of the 'charge' then I would not oppose his detainment.

The guy might well have moral weaknesses, but this seems to be a cover for the US to get a hold of him for entirely separate reasons. Given Americas treatment of certain prisoners, I would be reluctant to hand over ANY prisoner for trial in that country. America are rapidly losing any claim to any global moral high ground.

[Phmcw]

More info on assange : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047811

[dragonshardz]

Letter from Anonymous

[Aklyon]

That actually sounds pretty selfless.
Then again, its hard to tell if it actually is or not when its a thing like Anon that never uses I.

[dragonshardz]

Anon isn't a group, though. "Group" implies formal structure, which Anonymous does not have.

And the reason Anonymous never uses "I" is because we represent the faceless mass - we are everyone, and no one.

[Aklyon]

Thing, then.
I knew why anon didn't use I already.

[MiniMacker]

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition?fp

Everyone should sign it.
Well, everyone who WANTS.


Oh, and;

“In a free society we're supposed to know the truth,” Paul said. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45930.html

[Cthulhu]

Anon isn't a group, though. "Group" implies formal structure, which Anonymous does not have.

And the reason Anonymous never uses "I" is because we represent the faceless mass - we are everyone, and no one.

Can we please dispense with this nonsense?  I swear everyone who talks like this sounds like a 15 year old.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Indeed, he should dispense with it, since you are not faceless when you talk like that. Do your work, but dont claim credit for it, thats cancer stuff.

[Phmcw]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40556948/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

Ok what?

So, when did the non-conscensual sex happened?

From that Reuther article: never.

And Reuther is, unlike some tabloid, a reliable source (but they says grossly the same thing.)

[Duke 2.0]

http://www.avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition?fp

Everyone should sign it.
Well, everyone who WANTS.

I can't take it seriously when they claim to be the victim of intimidation when they hold information hostage and intimidate companies all the time.

[Aqizzar]

You can be the intimidate-ee and the intimidate-r.  For WikiLeaks and who they spar with, it's a matter of scale - WikiLeaks is holding hostage probably a lot more junk data, with a few nuggets of potentially physically-harmful stuff buried in the details.  On the other side is the entire legal weight of western civilization, ready to bear down on them.

I think WikiLeaks and Assange in particular are a bunch of tools, but that doesn't mean they're not entitled to not be pressured outside of completed legal action.  There can certainly be equally valid claims of mutual intimidation.

[Duke 2.0]

 I'll accept that, although I'll still stick with them being tools. This does seem to be one of those too-common situations where everybody involved is waist-deep in shit.