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[Qmarx]

Funny how everyone will so easily trample over someone else freedom of speech and right just because they don't like what he says.

I love how he has all you people so freaked out.

Funny how everyone will so easily trample over someone else when someone shouts "Fire!" in a movie theater.

Point is, the dude is an attention-seeking dick.  I dislike him primarily for that.

[Phmcw]

Funny how everyone will so easily trample over someone else when someone shouts "Fire!" in a movie theater.

Point is, the dude is an attention-seeking dick.  I dislike him primarily for that.

Amazing how many poeple seems to dislike him because he is "attention seeking".
He's not your average singer dude. He's trying to make a point and to point out illegal/immoral activities of states.
And I do agree with him on the fact that autocracy need conspiration.
If you're socialist, of want a strong government, you have to keep it on a short leash, unless you want an autocratic dictatyorship to arise. The same goes with a strong millitary.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

Funny how everyone will so easily trample over someone else when someone shouts "Fire!" in a movie theater.

Point is, the dude is an attention-seeking dick.  I dislike him primarily for that.

Amazing how many poeple seems to dislike him because he is "attention seeking".
He's not your average singer dude. He's trying to make a point and to point out illegal/immoral activities of states.

Except he's not. He's explicitly trying to provoke just the kind of reaction he's getting, because he has this insane idea that people will rise up against a government that acts so. But, ultimately, he's not doing anything illegal, and the material released so far is entirely unimportant (if antagonistic towards the US government in particular).

[dragonshardz]

* dragonshardz lubes up the Slippery Slope of Mutual Destruction.

I'm scared to be American, now.

Julian Assange leaked dox --> USAGOV flipped the fuck out --> Julian Assange arrested in ENGLAND for a crime supposedly committed in...SWEDEN.

So...if the USA gov't, MY gov't, can get other nations to arrest someone who is not even a citizen on charges that may or may not be trumped up...what does that say about what they can do to a citizen.

I am an American Citizen...

...and I fear for my freedoms.

[Osmosis Jones]

Why do people keep saying he's anti-American? He releases documents that are sent to him; Bradley Manning sent him a bunch of U.S. documents, so the latest release appears to have an American focus, but there are a huge range of countries that don't exactly come of looking rosy in this. There have been embarassing documents for numerous countries, such as the U.K. and numerous small countries in the Middle East, and even Australia (his home country) has copped diplomatic hits.

I'm just saying that if Manning had been an Iranian, he would be being lauded as a global hero right now, and Assange would be internationally loved.

That said, I do think Assange is a tool. He's got a worthy goal, and his organization is doing good things, but the man himself is a bit of a turkey.

[Qmarx]

Why do people keep saying he's anti-American? He releases documents that are sent to him; Bradley Manning sent him a bunch of U.S. documents, so the latest release appears to have an American focus, but there are a huge range of countries that don't exactly come of looking rosy in this. There have been embarassing documents for numerous countries, such as the U.K. and numerous small countries in the Middle East, and even Australia (his home country) has copped diplomatic hits.

He selectively edits things, and is releasing a superfluity of documents related to the US.

Julian Assange leaked dox --> USAGOV flipped the fuck out --> Julian Assange arrested in ENGLAND for a crime supposedly committed in...SWEDEN.

1)Sweden is the country that contacted Interpol.  They have extremely strict laws about rape, and are somewhat notorious for getting people extradited (they'd had royalty and government members extradited for rpae charges before). 
2) He wasn't arrested.  He went down to Scotland Yard himself.

[dragonshardz]

*shrugs*

Point is, America flipped the fuck out, and lo and behold, Julian Assange is in police custody.

Do you not see the chain of events here? I mean, I'm aware that correlation != causation, and nor do I fully know the chain of events, but this looks pretty damn shady to /me/.

[Lovechild]

Swede here. My local paper says that Assange's lawyer believes he will be released after being questioned "because it would be out of proportion to keep him arrested". We'll see about that...

Julian Assange leaked dox --> USAGOV flipped the fuck out --> Julian Assange arrested in ENGLAND for a crime supposedly committed in...SWEDEN.

1)Sweden is the country that contacted Interpol.  They have extremely strict laws about rape, and are somewhat notorious for getting people extradited (they'd had royalty and government members extradited for rpae charges before). 
2) He wasn't arrested.  He went down to Scotland Yard himself.

Strict rape laws? Huh, there are a lot of people here who say they are too lenient.

[Osmosis Jones]

He selectively edits things,

Linky please? I'm not trying to call you out, I'm actually just interested to see any examples of this. I must admit though, that would kind of surprise me, considering the whole Wikileaks schtick is 'scientific journalism' where people can see the unaltered source themselves, if they so desire.

and is releasing a superfluity of documents related to the US.

Again, there is a flood of U.S. related documents, because the huge leak they just got was from the U.S. If the documents had been leake from the U.K., we'd all be saying he's picking on the Poms for it.

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[Sir Pseudonymous]

He selectively edits things,

Linky please? I'm not trying to call you out, I'm actually just interested to see any examples of this. I must admit though, that would kind of surprise me, considering the whole Wikileaks schtick is 'scientific journalism' where people can see the unaltered source themselves, if they so desire.

Specifically, he had the names of Afghan collaborators redacted, to avoid endangering them.

*shrugs*

Point is, America flipped the fuck out, and lo and behold, Julian Assange is in police custody.

Do you not see the chain of events here? I mean, I'm aware that correlation != causation, and nor do I fully know the chain of events, but this looks pretty damn shady to /me/.

They are shady, or rather dubious, but more in the "prosecutor wants a high profile target to attack, because of the publicity (win or lose) and what it could do for their career" (think of the Duke lacrosse trial, where several rich assholes got put on trial despite conclusive evidence of their innocence being in the hands of the prosecution, simply because the district attorney (wasn't it?) thought aggressively pushing it would garner public support for his next campaign (and ended with him disgraced and bankrupt, as it should)) way, rather than any specific vendetta stemming from the release of documents.

[olemars]

Why do people keep saying he's anti-American? He releases documents that are sent to him; Bradley Manning sent him a bunch of U.S. documents, so the latest release appears to have an American focus, but there are a huge range of countries that don't exactly come of looking rosy in this. There have been embarrassing documents for numerous countries, such as the U.K. and numerous small countries in the Middle East, and even Australia (his home country) has copped diplomatic hits.

He selectively edits things, and is releasing a superfluity of documents related to the US.

He? Assange isn't wikileaks, it's grown to a pretty big organization. The redaction and release is done by journalists, I doubt Assange himself has had time and opportunity to do much of the actual work. The group have made mistakes in the past though, being activists with the usual internal conflicts. There is at least one splinter group that are planning to work in parallell with wikileaks, but much more discreetly and safely.

[SalmonGod]

He selectively edits things, and is releasing a superfluity of documents related to the US.

I think it would be pretty amazing if most leaks didn't concern the U.S., considering it's been the world's #1 superpower for so long, is the most active and influential global presence, and has tons and tons of shady history, questionable motives, and controversial policy that naturally makes for the kind of material the website is about.

In fact, I think the impressive amount of dirt they have on other countries is proportionally more than enough to show that they have not been selectively targeting or playing favorites.

[Phmcw]

A lot of BELGIAN document got leaked before the war diaries, a lot of other too. Before they shut of wikileak, you could browse it by countries and keyword.
There is only American document left because the site have to be as light as possible.

And stop saying is a dickhead, it's absolutely irrelevant and your impression come from what journalist said of him.

[Osmosis Jones]

He selectively edits things,

Linky please? I'm not trying to call you out, I'm actually just interested to see any examples of this. I must admit though, that would kind of surprise me, considering the whole Wikileaks schtick is 'scientific journalism' where people can see the unaltered source themselves, if they so desire.

Specifically, he had the names of Afghan collaborators redacted, to avoid endangering them.

I knew about that, but from Qmarx's comments I was assuming something that would change the actual content or context of the leaks.

He? Assange isn't wikileaks, it's grown to a pretty big organization. The redaction and release is done by journalists, I doubt Assange himself has had time and opportunity to do much of the actual work. The group have made mistakes in the past though, being activists with the usual internal conflicts. There is at least one splinter group that are planning to work in parallell with wikileaks, but much more discreetly and safely.

Honestly, that's debatable. He handled Manning himself, he dictates much of the policy the foundation adhears to, and as that link shows, is pretty much the sole go-between for a large chunk of the organisation. Basically, what wikileaks does is decided in large part by Assange, ergo ascribing it to Assange isn't without merit.

To quote;

I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original coder, organizer, financier and all the rest.”

A lot of BELGIAN document got leaked before the war diaries, a lot of other too. Before they shut of wikileak, you could browse it by countries and keyword.
There is only American document left because the site have to be as light as possible.

Precisely.

And stop saying is a dickhead, it's absolutely irrelevant and your impression come from what journalist said of him.

Also what he has said. Also what other members of wikileaks have said. As long as you make it clear that it's a personal judgement call, why shouldn't we comment on our impressions of him? They add context to our our arguments and opinions if nothing else. Just because he is a dickhead, doesn't mean he isn't doing the right thing

[olemars]

Honestly, that's debatable. He handled Manning himself, he dictates much of the policy the foundation adhears to, and as that link shows, is pretty much the sole go-between for a large chunk of the organisation. Basically, what wikileaks does is decided in large part by Assange, ergo ascribing it to Assange isn't without merit.

That was interesting reading. I knew there was internal strife and that Assange has ego issues, but it seems to be a bit worse than I thought. Maybe having Assange cut off for a few weeks might be healthy for the movement in the long run.

Double-post-avoidance edit:
In a rather unique case of accepting reality (compared to most other governments), the Bolivian government has set up a webpage of their own, mirroring all released cables referencing Bolivia, in both the original english and translated to spanish.