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[Org]

Zath did not kill last night.

[Nirur Torir]

Nirur, how goes blocking Pandarsenic? Who are your current scumpicks?

No message about a failure has yet been received. I have continued to block him, as I said I would.

Logic: Jokerman couldn't ever kill, due to his ability.
I don't think Pandarsenic has a block-immune NK.
Thus, the third person was able to kill N1 kill N2 or N3 for some reason.

Known role-use claims: (I may have missed some)
I blocked Pandarsenic every night.
MBP copped Zathras and IronyOwl, getting town for IronyOwl, and nothing for Zathras.
Org was blocked first two nights, followed Zathras N3. No evidence of his power. [Of course Zath didn't kill last night. Nobody did.]
Toaster may have randomly blocked/protected anyone, at any time. It's unlikely that he prevented the mafia's nk twice in a row, but possible.
Ottofar was powerless for night 3.
NF was delayed for the first two nights. This does not rule out delay-immunity.

I believe that there is either a second sk, or a third mafia running around. The third mafia is more likely.

Scum picks:
Pandarsenic - Scum.
Org - Possibly. Org-unreadable.
Argembarger - Possibly. Lurker-unreadable.
IronyOwl - Possibly. I get a nice, fits-in-with-town vibe from you, which tends to raise my suspicions.
Ottofar - Massive lurker. It doesn't really matter if he is, but it would increase the odds of Toaster getting lucky with his role on N2, and then explain the lack of N3 kill.
NativeForeigner - Possible [if he is delay immune], but unlikely.
Zathras - Highly unlikely, due to the revive thing, unless scum has both a one-shot {auto revive/day revive} and an alignment-change revive.
Mr.Person - See Zathras. Even less likely, due to not being around N1 for the kill.

Tied for second are Org, Argembarger, and IronyOwl. Should Argembarger get a replacement, I'll be able to better decide whether either of the latter are likely candidates. Ottofar can probably be ignored, as town wins when it can no longer lose.

If all four of them give haikus every day, I believe that there would be a high chance to eliminate scum NKs entirely. Your thoughts on the above, IronyOwl?

[IronyOwl]

Logic: Jokerman couldn't ever kill, due to his ability.
I don't think Pandarsenic has a block-immune NK.

Agreed.

Thus, the third person was able to kill N1 kill N2 or N3 for some reason.

Sketchier.

Tied for second are Org, Argembarger, and IronyOwl. Should Argembarger get a replacement, I'll be able to better decide whether either of the latter are likely candidates. Ottofar can probably be ignored, as town wins when it can no longer lose.

If all four of them give haikus every day, I believe that there would be a high chance to eliminate scum NKs entirely. Your thoughts on the above, IronyOwl?

I'm still somewhat wary of your haiku power, but if you are scum, I'm thinking you're Pandar's buddy, not a cult leader. So, might not be a bad idea.

However, I do have an alternative theory:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well, damn.  Now even I think I'm scummy.


Anyway, as promised, full roleclaim!

I am Chernobyl.  I already mentioned my auto jailkeep (protect/roleblock) which I have no control or even knowledge of whom it targets.  My night action is a one-night delay of a target's action- just ask NativeForeigner, whom caught it both nights.

Finally, the fun one:  I have an X-action (day or night) in which I can sacrifice myself to completely nullify someone- removing both their abilities and their vote.

Toaster, this situation is looking pretty badly for you right now, with Jokerman flipping scum. However, your roleclaim doesn't convince me of anything for one reason, I haven't received any flavor messages.

So I have a question, is your target supposed to get a PM detailing that their ability was delayed? Or is it supposed to be unknown to the receiver? I didn't use my night ability D1, it would have been counter-productive for town. But I did use it last night, on you. However, no flavor was received. So there's a few possibilities:

1) There's no PM associated with your role.
2) You're lying about your role and someone protected you or you protected yourself.
3) Shenanigans are ensuing.

Seeing as Webadict mentioned that no PM=assumed not fail, that means I wasn't actually blocked and my action is still out there somewhere, which would actually back up option 1, because it didn't necessarily fail, it's just delayed, so I don't actually think you're lying about your role.

Org, Nirur Torir, Zathras, Ottofar, and everybody else (got lazy): What are your feelings about Toaster's roleclaim and the fact that I can't actually back up his claim despite supposedly being his target?

Toaster, your offer to blow someone up is interesting. With everything that's been said up to now and assuming you had to right now, who would your target be and why?

Zathras, while I'm interested in hearing from the newly-revived Mr. Person, why are you trying to wave off the possibility of a revivocult? Even though the chance is small, there's still the possibility. And that would mean that you would be a member. Don't you think it would be safer to have someone mass-block again to prevent a mafia kill and then lynch one of the revivees? That would tell us for sure whether or not there's a revivocult and could prevent problems later.

Nirur, Pandar, Org, Ottofar, with the possibility of a revivocult, who do you think is most likely to be the cult leader if there is one?

NativeForeigner, you claim to have taken no action N1, been delayed N2, and said nothing about N3. Given that Toaster and MBP have disappeared, I'm inclined to think you're the culprit- you tried to hit Toaster N2 but were delayed, then tried for MBP N3 and both went off. What say you?

[Nirur Torir]

Whoops, typo.

Thus, the third person was able to kill N1 kill N2 or N3 for some reason.

Should instead read:

Thus, the third person was able to kill N1, but unable to kill N2 or N3 for some reason.

[NativeForeigner]

NativeForeigner - Possible [if he is delay immune], but unlikely.

I'm not delay immune. Notice how Toaster has disappeared? I claimed to have targeted him the night before last, but he delayed. So when he came back to life, it finally hit him. He'll be back tomorrow. As for this previous night, I was redirected. I targeted Mr. Person, but it MBP.

NativeForeigner, you claim to have taken no action N1, been delayed N2, and said nothing about N3. Given that Toaster and MBP have disappeared, I'm inclined to think you're the culprit- you tried to hit Toaster N2 but were delayed, then tried for MBP N3 and both went off. What say you?

It was definitely my doing. They'll both be back tomorrow. Toaster was my target N2, so I guess it hit him when he came back to life. However, N3 I targeted Mr. Person (as I said I would) and I was apparently redirected to MBP.

[IronyOwl]

Mm. It just disables them for a day and night? Why did you choose who you chose?

[NativeForeigner]

It removed them from talking, voting, being actioned, or actioning for one day and night. I chose Toaster because I didn't trust him (it turned out to be a good thing he delayed me) and I chose Mr. Person because he was acting extremely suspicious and couldn't seem to wait for night to come around, so I wanted to prevent his night action.

[Mr.Person]

What makes you so sure you got redirected?

[NativeForeigner]

What makes you so sure you got redirected?

Uh, because you were targeted and I hit MBP instead?

[Mr.Person]

Let me rephrase that:

What makes you so sure YOU got redirected?

[NativeForeigner]

I'm not sure what you're saying. It didn't hit you. I targeted you. A similar, if not identical ability hit MBP. Therefore I believe that my ability got redirected towards MBP.

[Zathras]

It removed them from talking, voting, being actioned, or actioning for one day and night. I chose Toaster because I didn't trust him (it turned out to be a good thing he delayed me) and I chose Mr. Person because he was acting extremely suspicious and couldn't seem to wait for night to come around, so I wanted to prevent his night action.

Native: I can't find the post where you roleclaimed and gave details on this ability. Can you link me or restate it? (sorry, it's 800+ posts in 50+ pages, even with the tracker it's a painful search).


On other things, Org has been quite Orgish, and his role seems to me to be a scum role. He also indicated that the only way to be rid of him was with a lynch, so let's do that then: vote Org.

Org: of course I didn't kill, I confirmed earlier that I didn't have the SK role anymore. You're savvy enough not to waste your action on something like that, so I think you just claimed that to cover for the fact that your NK was blocked somehow. Questions: who do you think are Jokerman's scumbuddies? What's your read of Nirur & IronyOwl? Do you think we should hang Argembarger before he's replaced?

[Org]

I now confirmed your role.


Okay I lied about my role. Why not.

[IronyOwl]

I now confirmed your role.

You confirmed his role, or that he wasn't serial killing people last night?

Okay I lied about my role. Why not.

Liars are scum, Org. Why would you lie to us?

[Mr.Person]

I'm not sure what you're saying. It didn't hit you. I targeted you. A similar, if not identical ability hit MBP. Therefore I believe that my ability got redirected towards MBP.

Oh, never mind then. I thought you had information it doesn't seem you have.