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[Askot Bokbondeler]

Just close this.

just ban this guy.

[Il Palazzo]

Yeah, but steady state is observably and provably wrong.

I was made to understand that an information barrier prevented us from recovering any facts from before 10~ billion years ago. Humans have no idea how long the universe has truly existed nor what proportion of this existence we have available to study.

The information barrier you speak of is directly related to the fact that the universe does in fact have a finite age. You can't see anything further than ~13 billion ly because the light from whatever's further away did not have enough time to reach us yet. If the universe were infinitely old, then there would be no such barrier.
But maybe you're confusing the age of the universe with it's "extent", which might just as well be infinite, and we indeed do not know, or will be ever able to know(other than waiting for the light to reach us) what lies outside the observable limit.
Furthermore, the observation of cosmic microwave background radiation, and the measurements of distant objects' redshift are strongly supporting the expanding universe.

Steady state also does not make much sense due to the unsustainability of such a perfect equilibrium(nothing falls unto each other).

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Just close this.

just ban this guy.

Just everyone calm down, we have no need to fight.

[thobal]

Just ban... Everyone.

And dont forget to deliver that ham to Ichabod Crane's house.

Yeah, but steady state is observably and provably wrong.

I was made to understand that an information barrier prevented us from recovering any facts from before 10~ billion years ago. Humans have no idea how long the universe has truly existed nor what proportion of this existence we have available to study.

The information barrier you speak of is directly related to the fact that the universe does in fact have a finite age. You can't see anything further than ~13 billion ly because the light from whatever's further away did not have enough time to reach us yet. If the universe were infinitely old, then there would be no such barrier.
But maybe you're confusing the age of the universe with it's "extent", which might just as well be infinite, and we indeed do not know, or will be ever able to know(other than waiting for the light to reach us) what lies outside the observable limit.
Furthermore, the observation of cosmic microwave background radiation, and the measurements of distant objects' redshift are strongly supporting the expanding universe.

Steady state also does not make much sense due to the unsustainability of such a perfect equilibrium(nothing falls unto each other).

Yes, but that's all assuming that the universe and all existence spawned out of nothingness ~13 billion years ago.
However, if that is the case, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that some sort of new "universe"(though I dont see why anyone would call it that, it just being another part of the first one) will spawn itself out of the heat death or big ripped ruins of this "universe". This would mean that any period of time that does not resemble this one could be merely written off as a passing phase, particularly because only the most exceptional observer would be around to write off anything.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

Just close this.

just ban this guy.

Just everyone calm down, we have no need to fight.

we're not fighting, we're not even participating in the discussion... i'm lurking around and enjoying a relatively healthy discussion, and that comment hit me as passing pigeon's crapping.

[Realmfighter]

So you up the ante by throwing dog shit?

[Il Palazzo]

Yes, but that's all assuming that the universe and all existence spawned out of nothingness ~13 billion years ago.
However, if that is the case, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that some sort of new "universe"(though I dont see why anyone would call it that, it just being another part of the first one) will spawn itself out of the heat death or big ripped ruins of this "universe". This would mean that any period of time that does not resemble this one could be merely written off as a passing phase, particularly because only the most exceptional observer would be around to write off anything.

Yeah, well, possible I guess? But that's hardly a steady state model.

[Urist is dead tome]

Stead state model is of the Devil!

[Siquo]

(Total disclosure, I just noticed this thread and 50~ pages are too many to read while I set up my soap box.)

Make sure you read the 300+ pages of the previous thread as well. 

If it didn't happen by 'chance' then I want my money back, as any creator worth her salt could have done a much better job.

That's quite a statement as A: you paid no money and B: until we provably can do a better job, we can't say that. And even then, how would we know if our creation of "better" wasn't God's purpose for humans all along?
Right now I'm attempting to program a simulation of the world (yes really, no not accurate and yes very abstracted), but the sheer variety of Nature is boggling. Trying to match all that is next to impossible.

Try it. Design something better than it is in real life, and make sure that you also have a universe in which it can live, and it must be able to evolve from basic elements.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

So you up the ante by throwing dog shit?

eh, i figured a sarcastic remark would be a more fitting response to a three word comment than an elaborate apology of the thread(as in "Socrates Apology", not as an "i apopogise" apology, my non native vocabulary and sleep deprived intelect failed to provide a better word)

[Glowcat]

Try it. Design something better than it is in real life, and make sure that you also have a universe in which it can live, and it must be able to evolve from basic elements.

I guess Omnipotence doesn't go as far as it used to.

Or are you just assuming that the way things are are the way they are 'supposed' to be? Supposed to be for what? Why do you think your existence is so important that its inclusion was a given?

[Il Palazzo]

Or are you just assuming that the way things are are the way they are 'supposed' to be? Supposed to be for what?

We've got our Entertainment Centers built right next to our Sewage Disposal System. It was supposed to be kinky.

[Siquo]

Supposed to be for what?

If we were told, that'd be spoiling the ending. 

[Leafsnail]

Yes, but that's all assuming that the universe and all existence spawned out of nothingness ~13 billion years ago.

No, it's evidence for the universe beginning its expansion 13 billion years ago.

I don't think any Big Bang theories have a time of "nothing".  Apart from anything else, there wouldn't have been time before it.

[Glowcat]

Supposed to be for what?

If we were told, that'd be spoiling the ending. 

If you don't understand what this existence would be designed for then you have no business claiming that it was designed.