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[Urist is dead tome]

Cause I remember this video a guy made. He included the cruelty that Christianity caused. I may be wrong about this but. What! I've read or had read to me, near the entirety of the Old Testament. Not much vast cruelty.

[Shrugging Khan]

Well, if what the OT says is true, then the israelites pretty much butchered all the subhumans that weren't part of their little tribe in hilariously over-the-top violence.
Then again, that might've just been the expected conduct, back in the day.

I stick to my "'sall propaganna".

[Siquo]

Aren't they still doing that?

[Urist is dead tome]

Depends on how ya look at it. Do you consider circumcision mutilation? If so then yes.

[Leafsnail]

Nope. You think it's true because you believe it, not the other way around. There has been some funny research in that area: Confronted with facts that oppose one's belief, the belief only gets stronger instead of weaker. The only way to do it was to confront people in a certain way. For instance, they asked US conservative voters: "Should we bring the amount of taxmoney that goes to welfare down to 1%?" They all voted either yes, of course, and the more lenient ones thought that was a bit harsh but it should still be lowered. Then they were told the amount right now is already at 1%. And that actually hit them right in the metaphorical belief-stomach, and made their judgement more lenient towards welfare. The control group was told the 1% value in advance, and continued to believe it should be lowered. The conclusion was that facts alone cannot sway ones belief, people will either mold their beliefs around it or just disbelieve the facts. Confronting facts can however sway beliefs if they're brought in the right way. (googlegoogle nope can't find source again, you'll just have to... ahem... believe me )

All that shows is how effective leading questions are.

[malimbar04]

Depends on how ya look at it. Do you consider circumcision mutilation? If so then yes.

What's worse is female circumcision. Male circumcision is the equivalent to cutting off earlobes, or pinkies. Female circumcision is the equivalent to gutting out the entire ear, or every finger but the thumb. It's... horrible.

Anyways, I just had an almost interesting visit by some christians who wanted to teach about the truth of christmas. I reflexively winced and told them "no thank you, I'm an atheist. I celebrate christmas because I'm culturally christian, not by belief.

They thanked me, asked me if I knew that Jesus wasn't born in December. "That's right," I said, "born in the springtime."
"Do you know why it's in december?" they asked.
"Yeah, We celebrate it now for the same reason we use christmas trees and eggs and easter bunnies. The catholics did it that way to convert other religions".
They smiled, thanked me and went on their way. That was better than I was expecting from door-to-door christian evangelists.

[Shrugging Khan]

From what I gathered by media consumption and talking to jews, the Israeli position can be roughly summed up as following:

• We're minority, and a weird one at that
• People are bastards, and like to pick on minorities; weird ones especially
• We don't like to be picked on
• So we get into a country of our own, where for once we are the majority
• Our new neighbours don't like that, because the land we live on belonged to their ancestors once

And here comes the less official part:

• So we kill the shit out of them in retaliation for every fart they make in our general direction
• It's Deterrence, baby!

[Sinned]

What's the general opinion of the acts of the Israelites during the Old Testament? Cruel?

First try at a best seller. They did ok, but they ended up rewriting parts and adding stuff, they also redid one of the main characters renaming Joseph to Jesus. He did way better with the younger crowd and teenagers.

It sold better but after a while they just bundled it up and it took off, sales where through the roof.

Oh yeah, Mel Gibson bought the movie rights, I liked the book more. LOTR is way better in book or movie. I would get that for christmas instead of the "Bible, the Directors Cut".

[fqllve]

Cause I remember this video a guy made. He included the cruelty that Christianity caused. I may be wrong about this but. What! I've read or had read to me, near the entirety of the Old Testament. Not much vast cruelty.

Christianity != Judaism

Really, I don't understand why Christians feel the need to include the Old Testament. It's blatantly mythological. It has 600 some commandments that they don't follow. And a large part of it is a folk history of the Israelites.

The New Testament seems like a pretty self-contained holy book to me.

[Urist is dead tome]

It tells the beginning of Christianity. And besides I for one still follow the Sabbath as layed out in the Old Testament.

[Earthquake Damage]

• Our new neighbours don't like that, because the land we live on belonged to their ancestors once them until the land was arbitrarily declared ours

[Andir]

It tells the beginning of Christianity. And besides I for one still follow the Sabbath as layed out in the Old Testament.

I'm following one right now: "From here on out, every Friday is a holiday." - FSM

[Urist is dead tome]

For me, once it's sundown I can't use electricity, finish a project, cook anything, start a fire, put out a fire, tie my shoes, untie my shoes, start a car, and various other things.

[Leafsnail]

Wasn't the friday/ saturday sabbath something Jesus specifically broke...?

[Sinned]

Wasn't the friday/ saturday sabbath something Jesus specifically broke...?

No biggy, turned out he's a Catholic I think and they are all about forgiveness anway. Two Hail Marys and it's a done deal and forgiven.