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[Earthquake Damage]

Sexism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,[1] is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other.

Herp derp.  Implicit sexism is still sexism.

[ECrownofFire]

I want to start a betting pool on how long until Shrugging Khan is banned. I bet it'll be within the next... 2-3 days.

Anyway, this has gotten far too offtopic (successful troll is successful? ). Quick, we need a new topic! Oh wait, I have a rather humorous one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's a modification of this, not the original.

[FuzzyZergling]

I love that webcomic.

[Bauglir]

Let's not discuss Shrugging Khan's sexism (or lack thereof) in this thread. We didn't really need 2 pages of derailment for an obvious troll (whether the troll was in sexism, or in implying anyone who disagrees with his posting habits is weak of nerves, it was still pretty clearly a troll). And before you post, Khan, it's not a matter for debate. Drop it. Same goes for anyone else.

[malimbar04]

So my question is whether anyone actually wants to be persuaded of something?
That doesn't sound quite right, but I'm having trouble thinking of a better way to say it.

Most of the time that I participate in these conversations, a few people but in, sound self-important, and the thread dies of apathy. The thing that remains to keep it alive is trolls,  or perhaps fresh blood to sound self important, ignore each others points, and then die of apathy again.

What arguments do you think still stand for or against their being a god of any form, and what form would it be?

[fqllve]

Anyway, this has gotten far too offtopic (successful troll is successful? ). Quick, we need a new topic! Oh wait, I have a rather humorous one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's a modification of this, not the original.

I resent being represented by the Mac guy.

[ECrownofFire]

Anyway, this has gotten far too offtopic (successful troll is successful? ). Quick, we need a new topic! Oh wait, I have a rather humorous one:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's a modification of this, not the original.

I resent being represented by the Mac guy.

I'm not represented at all, so don't complain

[Shrugging Khan]

Let's not discuss Shrugging Khan's sexism (or lack thereof) in this thread. We didn't really need 2 pages of derailment for an obvious troll (whether the troll was in sexism, or in implying anyone who disagrees with his posting habits is weak of nerves, it was still pretty clearly a troll). And before you post, Khan, it's not a matter for debate. Drop it. Same goes for anyone else.

Everything can be a matter of debate, as long as someone feels strongly enough about it.

So my question is whether anyone actually wants to be persuaded of something?
[...]
What arguments do you think still stand for or against their being a god of any form, and what form would it be?

Nope. Everyone here has their positions, and while they might change after years of self-doubt and continuous of about reasonable counter-arguments, nobody can actively change another's viewpoint. People aren't flexible enough for that.
So, no single argument can be classified as better than another - there's thousands of arguments against the existence of god, and a few dozen fakes ones in favour of it, but people will still believe what they want to; immune to reason and just jumping deeper into blind faith whenever you question their beliefs.

[fqllve]

So, no single argument can be classified as better than another - there's thousands of arguments against the existence of god, and a few dozen fakes ones in favour of it, but people will still believe what they want to; immune to reason and just jumping deeper into blind faith whenever you question their beliefs.

Why do you even care what people believe? Oh wait.

Nope, religion ought to be as secret as possible. Just keep it to yourself, don't dare try to push it onto your kids, tell only your mate or your closest friends...as long as religion is a mass culture, as in "world religions", it's better off as far away from the surface as possible. People adopt religious beliefs for deeply personal reasons after all - mixing them up with social dynamics only muddies the spiritual aspect, and carries lots of dangerous ideas into public discourses.

Well then the same should be true of politics. And don't think nontheistic positions are excluded either. In fact, I'd like it if our children weren't indoctrinated into our "people as commodities" and "anything can be bought" mentality while we're at it.

People are dangerous, and potentially dangerous ideas get filtered into the public all the time, not just through religion. Religion has never made anyone stupid, the stupid religious were stupid already.

[Shrugging Khan]

Too true! The indoctrination, instrumentalisation and general corrption of children is an unforgivable crime...and socially acceptable, of course.

[ECrownofFire]

Too true! The indoctrination, instrumentalisation and general corrption of children is an unforgivable crime...and socially acceptable, of course.

It's used by many religions simply because it's the easiest way to control people. Get them in at a young age, and they'll never question it. Most people don't even get a chance to express their freedom of religion. Or they simply don't question it.

Of course, I did, and you did too most likely (excluding atheist parents), but we went completely opposite directions. I went to a different religion (my family is Christian, even a few Jehovah's Witnesses ), and you took this general attitude of "all religions are bad". I was agnostic for a while though, before I settled in on my opinion (still not done with that either...).

[Il Palazzo]

So my question is whether anyone actually wants to be persuaded of something?
[...]
What arguments do you think still stand for or against their being a god of any form, and what form would it be?

Nope. Everyone here has their positions, and while they might change after years of self-doubt and continuous of about reasonable counter-arguments, nobody can actively change another's viewpoint. People aren't flexible enough for that.
So, no single argument can be classified as better than another - there's thousands of arguments against the existence of god, and a few dozen fakes ones in favour of it, but people will still believe what they want to; immune to reason and just jumping deeper into blind faith whenever you question their beliefs.

It doesn't matter, though. If anybody's posting here with hopes of e.g. getting Siquo to admit that he was wrong all this time, and convert him to atheism, or making Shrugging Khan repent for his evil ways and embrace Jesus, then they might just as well stop.
However, it's not the preachers that are the target of conversion here. As with political debates, there might be undecided people reading this, so if one thinks that his point of view is the bestest, and would make the world a better place, then he better make compelling arguments to support it.

I'd still like to see Sh.Khan be a bit more considerate, and use a different tone in discussion. It's just about good manners, really, and I'd rather see well-mannered people flocking to the atheist cause, rather than crude rednecks.

[fqllve]

Too true! The indoctrination, instrumentalisation and general corrption of children is an unforgivable crime...and socially acceptable, of course.

Honestly? Pretty much all child-rearing is indoctrination. And it's not just socially acceptable it's socially mandated. Unless you want the kids to have to fend for themselves in every situation then they can't help but be indoctrinated.

I'm more concerned with teaching children to think critically about what they believe than restricting parents' rights to pass their own beliefs on to the tiny versions of themselves. I don't care what a person believes, as long as they actually believe it rather than just accept what they've been told. Stopping people from sharing their ideas isn't going to make anyone any more thoughtful about them and we shouldn't do it just because kids will believe anything.

[Andir]

I'm more concerned with teaching children to think critically about what they believe than restricting parents' rights to pass their own beliefs on to the tiny versions of themselves.

I don't think this is what you are saying, but I wanted to head it off...

I do NOT think the process in teaching kids to think critically is including several religious classes in their schooling (to get them experience in that religion or whatnot...)  Like the current push to teach Intelligent Design.

I think the "training" needs to be a small part of every class they are involved in to get them questioning Math, Science, History, etc.  Let them question the aspects and get them thinking about all courses and explain to them the accepted answers and why they are accepted.  Do not treat any course topic like concrete bunkers.  Encourage kids to ask more questions by letting them know that doubt is acceptable.

The advantages to this approach would be kids that do not blindly go about life and accept what their peers say as fact.  It will hopefully squash the idea that anyone asking questions in class is dumb, and it will allow them to push the limits of accepted knowledge.

Unfortunately, it's not an easy task because you first have to teach the teachers to think critically about their own lessons.

[Earthquake Damage]

I'd rather see well-mannered people flocking to the atheist cause, rather than crude rednecks.

Bigot! 

I do NOT think the process in teaching kids to think critically is including several religious classes in their schooling (to get them experience in that religion or whatnot...)  Like the current push to teach Intelligent Design.

It's certainly not the same thing, but I'm all for teaching them about religion, by which I mean learning the basic beliefs and history of the world's major religions.