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Micro102

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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #435 on: December 12, 2010, 02:22:00 pm »
Doesn't have to be pets, just extremely coincidental fits compared to fits where nothing happens. Only fits where the child says not to do something are recorded.

Give some parents 100 dollars in exchange for a paper of records?
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #436 on: December 12, 2010, 03:24:04 pm »
I guess we could just do a study like that, but I was hoping for a controlled experiment type of deal.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #437 on: December 12, 2010, 03:25:26 pm »
Somehow I get the impression that you'd end up just losing several thousand dollars to parents who need money and not get much data at all.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #438 on: December 12, 2010, 05:01:42 pm »
Sadly that's how most of these nation wide surveys are done :(
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #439 on: December 12, 2010, 05:06:03 pm »
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 02:22:00 pm
Doesn't have to be pets, just extremely coincidental fits compared to fits where nothing happens. Only fits where the child says not to do something are recorded.

Give some parents 100 dollars in exchange for a paper of records?
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So, basically, get parents to make up stories in return for money?
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #440 on: December 12, 2010, 05:21:12 pm »
And even if every single parent was completely honest. Even if you found statistically significant incidence of clairvoyance. It wouldn't prove anything because there's no evidence other than "yeah, this totally happened."
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #441 on: December 12, 2010, 05:22:50 pm »
Not to mention the issue of defining a 'fit'.
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Micro102

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« Reply #442 on: December 12, 2010, 06:34:38 pm »
Quote from: fqllve on December 12, 2010, 05:21:12 pm
And even if every single parent was completely honest. Even if you found statistically significant incidence of clairvoyance. It wouldn't prove anything because there's no evidence other than "yeah, this totally happened."
Hey, more reliable then God or the big bang theory.
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« Reply #443 on: December 12, 2010, 06:41:14 pm »
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 06:34:38 pm
Hey, more reliable then God or the big bang theory.

Oh no he di'n't!
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #444 on: December 12, 2010, 06:47:32 pm »
Quote from: Earthquake Damage on December 12, 2010, 06:41:14 pm
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 06:34:38 pm
Hey, more reliable then God or the big bang theory.

Oh no he di'n't!

He did.

Uh, you know about the Cosmic Background Radiation right?

That proves the Big Bang Theory a lot better than the anecdotal accounts of a bunch of parents would prove clairvoyance in children.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #445 on: December 12, 2010, 06:52:44 pm »
Quote from: fqllve on December 12, 2010, 06:47:32 pm
Quote from: Earthquake Damage on December 12, 2010, 06:41:14 pm
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 06:34:38 pm
Hey, more reliable then God or the big bang theory.

Oh no he di'n't!

He did.

Uh, you know about the Cosmic Background Radiation right?

That proves the Big Bang Theory a lot better than the anecdotal accounts of a bunch of parents would prove clairvoyance in children.
Funny that people seem to think that gods and the big bang are mutually exclusive :P
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« Reply #446 on: December 12, 2010, 07:10:18 pm »
Why does a bunch of random energy everywhere support the big bang? I could just as easily say that it's due to black holes redirecting light waves.


And I don't think God and the big bang are mutually exclusive. This is an atheism thread though.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #447 on: December 12, 2010, 07:11:47 pm »
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 07:10:18 pm
Why does a bunch of random energy everywhere support the big bang? I could just as easily say that it's due to black holes redirecting light waves.
What.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #448 on: December 12, 2010, 07:13:00 pm »
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 07:10:18 pm
Why does a bunch of random energy everywhere support the big bang? I could just as easily say that it's due to black holes redirecting light waves.
Except that doesn't work. There's a low level of radiation everywhere in the universe that seems to all be coming from a single point. This suggests a Big Bang.
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Re: Atheism Redux
« Reply #449 on: December 12, 2010, 07:15:00 pm »
Quote from: Micro102 on December 12, 2010, 07:10:18 pm
Why does a bunch of random energy everywhere support the big bang? I could just as easily say that it's due to black holes redirecting light waves.

I don't understand it so it doesn't count, guys.

Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on December 12, 2010, 07:13:00 pm
Except that doesn't work. There's a low level of radiation everywhere in the universe that seems to all be coming from a single point. This suggests a Big Bang.

It's not coming from a single point.  It's by all appearances omnidirectional.
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