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[qoonpooka]

Okay, I give up.  I've tried everything I can think of.

It used to be that you could just go into entity_default.txt in the raws and do this:

   [MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:2]
   [MAX_POP_NUMBER:2]
   [MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:2]

But despite these settings, I still wind up with a single dwarven civ with multiple sites and 60-120 dwarves per site.  I've tried some other stunts suggested in these forums, changing the max age of dwarves (looked like it reduced the population a bit, at best), setting 'playable civ required' to 'no.'

I've tried making the values lower and a little bit bigger (1, 2, 5, 10, and 20 are all values I've tried).

Dwarves and their civ seem invincible no matter what I do.   Starting Group Size was removed in .13 I see... is that why this stunt doesn't work anymore?  What are the options (other than 'play an earlier version' thanks) for wiping out dwarven civilization in the world gen?

[Patchy]

Set the maxage to 1 to 1. They should die off before they give birth, unless something big has changed since 40d in regards to dwarven age and birth. Then regen your world. Also note that you'll still get the first 2 migrant waves even if the dwarf civ is dead.

[qoonpooka]

I'll give it a try.  I set the age to 5 but that seemed to make the population larger than when set to 10.  If anyone else has any ideas toss 'em my way 'cause I'm pretty sure the age thing doesn't work anymore, either.

[FuzzyZergling]

If you're trying to kill off the dwarves, gen a world without mountains.

[qoonpooka]

If you're trying to kill off the dwarves, gen a world without mountains.

Good idea.  I'd like to hear notions that leave mountains so I can still build conventional fortresses, etc.  But I'll give that a try and see how it goes.

[twilightdusk]

If you're trying to kill off the dwarves, gen a world without mountains.

Good idea.  I'd like to hear notions that leave mountains so I can still build conventional fortresses, etc.  But I'll give that a try and see how it goes.

Actually, if the dwarves never exist in the first place, you can't play Fortress mode on that world, only Adventure (if other civ's exist) or Legends.

[Patchy]

Ok, tried it. Apparently dwarves with maxage of 1:1 will still somehow get married and give birth in their short little lives. Though I couldn't find any dwarves that were listed as parents oddly enough in legends mode. Most actually died single, though there was quite a few who still managed to get married before dieing. And the civ history showed all the positions changing hands every year as each dwarf died of old age. So, they were indeed limited to only 1 year of life.

The fact that none of the entries for all the dwarves that I looked through showed any children makes me think something else is afoot. Like maybe the world gen is genning new dwarves if the last dwarf in the civ dies of old age? Anyways, guess the maxage trick from 40d doesnt work anymore heh.

[FuzzyZergling]

Does legends give them parents, or do they just pop out of holes in the ground?

[Patchy]

Yup, no parents listed either.

[qoonpooka]

I'd suspect some kind of hard code preventer against last-dwarves-on-earth scenarios, but given that those scenarios are specific challenge listed on the wiki and are as enjoyable as they are - I really don't see Toady working to stamp it out...

There's got to be a way to do this...

[Max White]

Have you tried removing dwarfs from the raws altogether, both race and entity, then modding them back in after gen?

[FuzzyZergling]

Incredibly high number of non-dwarven civs?
Would that work?

[qoonpooka]

Have you tried removing dwarfs from the raws altogether, both race and entity, then modding them back in after gen?

That I wouldn't know how to do.

Putting them into a world that's already genned is beyond my present abilities.

[qoonpooka]

Incredibly high number of non-dwarven civs?
Would that work?

I doubt it, to be frank.  There's a LOT of gobbos elves and humans already - but they all just seem to share territory with the dwarves.

[Untelligent]

Try setting the number of titans really high. Back before the population rewrite that did a spectacular job of wiping out all life on the planet. Maybe megabeast caves too. Problem is you probably won't get any traders.