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[sonerohi]

Don't be embarrassed dude. I'll admit it, I discriminate heavily against New Jersey, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

[nenjin]

What would prevent state governments from stopping discrimination and exploitation within their borders?  It has been proven in many Supreme Court rulings that Federal Law and the Constitution supersede any State law.  If it happens throughout the country though, that would be classified as a national interest (as is the case with monopolies)

The same things that prevented them historical? Creed, beliefs, and exploitation. They are just as likely to do the "right" thing as the wrong thing. School desegregation? It took the Supreme Court and eventually the national guard under the command of non-state representatives to change the situation. That's why I want a federal power we take seriously. It's fine that the Constitution gives the Supreme Court power. But how much respect would states give the Supreme Court, or any clauses of the Constitution they found inconvenient, when we start saying that state's rights are ultimately more important than federal laws?

2)  If Ben Nelson was truly a state's rights fanatic, why would sign a national health care law?  It truly restricts the freedoms of the states to police the health insurance policies within their own states and instead forces one system on all states, whether it would be beneficial or a detriment to that state.
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Because he arranged possibly the sweetest deal for Nebraska within that framework. In the grand scheme of things, Nebraska wins out. The rest of the nation paying for our healthcare? Win. (I'm being sarcastic.)

[Criptfeind]

Don't be embarrassed dude. I'll admit it, I discriminate heavily against New Jersey, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

I thought you were a Minnesotan?

[MrGimp]

The opinions voiced by AntiAntiMatter should reveal some things. The fact that our populace hates that strongly on each other, and we are effectively fighting a civil civil war is going to wreck us. Not health care, not military spending, not big corporations and global warming. The fact that we fucking hate all of America that isn't our particular slice of America. Diversity is great and all, but we've so pursued diversity as to rid ourselves of any unity.

I admit to being a leftist pinko-commie hippie-nazi.....but I dont mind right wing types.  Hell....I kinda admire even the Tea Party.  You know, they started out as an 'End the Fed' movement?  Thats something I can definitely get behind.  They lose me with the whole Obama 'birther' and 'Obamas a muslim' thing....but I could still get alongside them on economic reform.  National media is going to of course magnify the differences, a divided populace is easier to misrule and abuse, but I think if we instead chose to focus on the things we can agree on we could at least make progress on those things.

Im so left wing Im often right wing.  I have a strong belief in states rights.  I think we should stop fighting over abortion and gay marriage and leave those kinds of things up to the states when there is no national consesus.  Isnt that the way the system was designed to resolve things like that anyways?

[Rilder]

Don't be embarrassed dude. I'll admit it, I discriminate heavily against New Jersey, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

Hey, Fuck you

_{Yes this state sucks.}

[dragonshardz]

Its not a problem if no one cares.

The problem is that no one cares. And it's compounded by the fact that those who do care get stonewalled by the government when they try to change a single thing.

Also a problem is that when it comes to voting, it's often a choice between two equally bad choices. I wouldn't have voted for McCain or Obama if I'd been able to vote two years ago.

“Those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it.” - Albus Dumbledore [?]

That quote illustrates a huge problem with America: Most politicians WANT to be what they are, when some of the most effective and/or best world leaders in history are world leaders who have been pushed, unwillingly, into power.

Also, California sucks.

[MrGimp]

I feel like I should share this.  This is FKN Newz people.  Behold it.  Love it.  Cherish it.  Do filthy disgusting things for it.

Debt Forever

"I propose to remedy the financial crisis ... by guaranteeing loans to buy the debt that we are guaranteeing to pay back.  You can see how that works there.  In this way, very wealthy investors will make large sums of money from the suffering of millions.  Thank you, and god bless money!"

- The President

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First Black Puppet Ruler of America

World Economic Mafia Gathers in Davos

VOTE LANDLESS PEASANT PARTY!!!

[Zrk2]

Ok, I'm Canadian, eh? So maybe I could offer a less biased answer to your petty states differences. In Canada everyone just hates Quebec because they are cheese eating surrender moneys, and Toronto, because it's Toronto.

To the OP you sound more Libertarian than left wing.

[freeformschooler]

My main problem with America is that we do not really make a large amount of tangible goods ala China/Japan/Taiwan. What we really do is sell money.
When the Social Security bubbles pops (and it will) it will most likely not be a "well that's just that I guess" case. It will probably be a glorious, hate-filled spiraling downfall fueled by humanity's own greedy nature, and I cannot wait to see it.

[Sowelu]

There will be rioting in the streets.  But it will be by old people, so nobody will notice :/

[MrWiggles]

So, there been a few folks asking for America to go back to a manufacturing economy. I have a question; who is going to pay for american average wages for american made products? oO This is assuming, that those advocating for this want US everything, or majority of items.


Also, the US, though a consumer base economy, is still the 4th largest exporter in the world. (According to the CIA Fact Book.) The margin of serration isn't that great great iether. (Except for European Union, exporting almost double that of the US & China [not combined].)

[Sowelu]

So, there been a few folks asking for America to go back to a manufacturing economy. I have a question; who is going to pay for american average wages for american made products? oO This is assuming, that those advocating for this want US everything, or majority of items.

That's actually a great question.  If we produce all our own stuff, though, how can we not afford wages?  If we fully replace imports with our own local production, then by definition (in this thought experiment) our country is producing enough stuff for everyone.  The abundant availability should drive prices down--especially if we only export luxuries and strict excess, not necessities.

Don't think of wages as "money", think of them as "stuff".  You pay your workers enough for them to buy food, furniture, fuel, etc.  If we produce enough of that stuff--on our own--that everyone can buy it...well, then there's your wages right there.  The only way we'd have a shortage of goods for workers is if the big guys get greedy, and there's nothing to stop that from happening already.

Um, I guess the short answer is--With no positive or negative forcings, the economy becomes a closed system.  The more we produce, the more shinies we have.  If you don't produce enough for all your old luxuries, too bad, work harder or smarter.

[MrWiggles]

Though that kind of economic model has worked before, it seems to only function with smaller populations and it also relies on an economy being able to locally make and gain the resources and items it needs.

There are also several resources which the US cannot produce domestically that it needs to function. One being, crude oil, the other being uranium come to mind readily, but not the only ones.

If the market closes in on itself, it looses competition, and becomes less powerful. As our insulated market continue, the purchasing power lessen, making it more difficult to procure the resources and items we need from foreign markets.
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On a side note; the world does depend on the USD. Its stilled consider the World Reserve Note, there are several other countries which have the USD has legal currency, and there would be various countries placed in greater economic stress if the purchasing powering of the US declined. There would be unknown recovery time for those countries.
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Also, this need for America to go back to being on a manufacturing economy is because the US is no longer the economic center of the world, as its been shifting for the last two decades. This, I think is overall a good thing. It makes the world market more competetive,

[Ř]

"Shell of it's former self"? Well, mainly there's the economic downturn and the national deficit.

National deficit? Raise taxes and lower spending. Leftwingers wants to focus on taxes, rightwingers want to focus on spending. Both are applicable and valid economic theories with their own catches.

Economic downturn? Lower taxes and raise spending. Leftwingers wants to focus on spending, rightwingers want to focus on taxes. Both are applicable and valid economic theories with their own catches.

...Wait. Shit. *implodes*

Really, we should probably focus on the economy first, then really start reigning in the national deficit. Lowering taxes does work, but the catch is that a fraction of the money lost buy cutting taxes goes into people's savings and is lost. The government spending more money does work... provided the businesses they inject with stimulus are going to then use the money within the American economy intelligently. With the economic downturn being this serious, people are more inclined to save, hence the stimulus could possibly be more effective. The stimulus... wait, no, it was mostly an outright bailout for faltering companies with poor business decisions, lots of outsourced labor, and who are still seriously threatened by foreign markets and whom Americans would rather not buy from anyway because it's cheaper from China.

...Wait. Shit. *implodes again*

Too late, course of actions already in place. Or get in a time machine and try to convince congress not to go to war just before an economic recession is due.

[Leafsnail]

You probably want to fix the economy before you start slashing and burning everything.  Think Ireland, who made large spending cuts a couple of years ago to try and get out of recession, and now need a bailout from the EU.

(probably worth noting that Britain's current chancellor pointed to Ireland as an example of a prosperous and stable economy.  Heh.)

There will be rioting in the streets.  But it will be by old people, so nobody will notice :/

It's interesting, because here, the government would never do anything to offend old people.  Why?  They have one of the highest voter turnouts of any group.