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[fqllve]

What have they banned caffeine in, aside from liquor? Which is, as an aside, complete fucking bullshit. Alcoholic energy drinks taste like shit, being too sweet and fruity, like wine, but they don't go banning wine now, do they?

It's essentially the pansy's speedball. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to mix uppers and downers?

[Neonivek]

I think its both off the subject and a bad idea to turn the thread into bashing someone. If you don't like their comments, don't read them. It doesn't help the thread at all to post insults, even if you think they're warranted, ya know.

Because he tend to pull the thread into it (Once again not really decided if it is intentional or not). Though out of all the insults I've heard "Be intelligent, trolling is annoying" is passable (though yeah don't do it) especially since it really is just a accusation of trolling.

What have they banned caffeine in, aside from liquor?

Caffine does two things but really one thing. It is addictive and gives your body an energy high that eventually also leads to addiction on the basis that your body conforms to the caffine. A lot of people are addicted to coffee simply because they no longer have the ability to function without it.

What have they banned Caffine in? Well Fruit juices for one assuming the person didn't outright lie when they said it. (and given the source, it is likely they did... but honestly I wouldn't see why they wouldn't try to do it. They already drench them in more sugar then you can actually taste)

[Zrk2]

Ok, my bad, don't derail the tread.

P.S. My troll worked.

P.P.S. I'm only digging myself deeper now.

[Neonivek]

Ok, my bad, don't derail the tread.

We havn't... I used the power of an Aside

[Tsarwash]

I've never really gotten into Red Bull or the other caffine alcohol drinks, despite being totally addiced to caffine. But I have my caffine in the morning and my booze in the evening. I do smoke a very little weed occasionally, but I should stop really, as it can make you demotivated, and I have things to do. (I'm opening a pub soon.) Studies have suggested that mixing caffine and alcohol can can lead to more trouble than usual.

Back in the raving days, I met these two lads who were discussing the merits of these legal pills that they had. They knew that they had both caffine and nicotine or other chemical from tobacco, but had never looked at the doses. Previously they had taken a whole packet each. We found out somehow that a packet contained a huge amount of each. Something like a fortnights worth of cigarettes and a jar of instant coffee. No wonder they were buzzing.

[Tyg13]

Cannabis should not be illegal. There is far too little proven evidence to support it's "harmful effects", and what little "proven" evidence they have has been obtained from studies done by anti-marijuana groups. Now why would it be that studies funded by anti-marijuana groups bring results that marijuana is bad? Dunno, beats me.

In that same note, I don't think cigarettes or alcohol -- any mild drug -- should be illegal. And it's not because they're not harmful, more so that I don't think the government should be telling anyone what they can to do themselves. If you want to shorten your lifespan with prolonged cigarette usage, go ahead, as long as you're not blowing the smoke in my face I could care less. If you want to destroy your liver by drinking a six pack a night, be my guest. As long as you're not puking on my floor, I don't care.

I think you should be allowed to do whatever you want to yourself, almost. There is a limit to exactly what we should allow and what we should not. For example, hard drugs like cocaine and heroin which do take a heavy toll on your body and are cripplingly addicting should not be legal. You have to admit, though cocaine users will still use cocaine, legal or not, it being illegal will make potential users think twice about using it. If the government took a sensible stance on drug legalization, maybe people would actually respect their opinion on the matter. Usage of hard drugs hurts people other than yourself. It's common to hear of someone stealing to get their meth fix, but I've rarely heard of people stealing to feed their nicotine addiction. You could claim that's because meth is more expensive than cigarettes, however that still doesn't change the fact that meth addiction gets far worse than nicotine addiction, far quicker.

But really, just let people do what they want. And stop listening to Big Tobacco, they're always trying to make little kids smoke

[iceball3]

Back to what whoever said, I'm not addicted to caffiene. I have it as a sporadic thing, sort of like one would have mints. Also noting out how the little boost is helpful at times, i can't get addicted as, being as lethargic as i am, being on a caffiene high longer than 20 min gets just annoying. Heck if I understand why.

[Neonivek]

Back to what whoever said, I'm not addicted to caffiene. I have it as a sporadic thing, sort of like one would have mints. Also noting out how the little boost is helpful at times, i can't get addicted as, being as lethargic as i am, being on a caffiene high longer than 20 min gets just annoying. Heck if I understand why.

It isn't super addictive if your refering to me. It just is both addictive in chemical compounds and addictive in caffine dependency.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

Back to what whoever said, I'm not addicted to caffiene. I have it as a sporadic thing, sort of like one would have mints. Also noting out how the little boost is helpful at times, i can't get addicted as, being as lethargic as i am, being on a caffiene high longer than 20 min gets just annoying. Heck if I understand why.

I said that, then pointed out I had a 16 ounce mug of black coffee in my hand.

[Strange guy]

In that same note, I don't think cigarettes or alcohol -- any mild drug -- should be illegal. And it's not because they're not harmful, more so that I don't think the government should be telling anyone what they can to do themselves. If you want to shorten your lifespan with prolonged cigarette usage, go ahead, as long as you're not blowing the smoke in my face I could care less. If you want to destroy your liver by drinking a six pack a night, be my guest. As long as you're not puking on my floor, I don't care.

This is fine in say the US, but in countries with free healthcare people taking mild drugs does affect other people by taking away money that could otherwise be used elsewhere/not taken as taxes on medical care for these people. What should such countries do about cannabis and indeed the other mild drugs? It certainly makes things a bit more complex.

[Tsarwash]

In the UK cigarette tax pays for the NHS eight times over, so here at least that argument holds no water.

[Neonivek]

In the UK cigarette tax pays for the NHS eight times over, so here at least that argument holds no water.

I have mixed information actually...

One says that the health problems caused by the drug makes the government lose more money then they make and that is why they are willing to fund projects to get people to stop smoking.

While the other says that is rediculous and that the taxes MORE then make up for the health bill and that the government funds those projects out of their own good will.

[codezero]

I think the reason it's illegal everywhere is with this prohibition, the mobsters/profiteers are narcotic officers, lawyers and prison guards, all government employees. Except for a few dealers everyone in the racket is the law. And arguing democracy would change the law doesn't really work. You can vote bills in but the government can just pass laws without voters. You can vote someone in like Obama who you think will decriminalise and he won't do a thing. It's a lot harder to decriminalise with a vote than to legalise* through a senate composed of mobsters, as california knows.

The other reason is naivety, people who think they're in danger by people who smoke, merely because these smokers are criminalised.

One other reason might be the "I'm more natural than you" argument of the temperance folk, which doesn't hold water considering the close relationship mj users develop with their plants and the environment as a result of consuming it. Whether by growing it themselves, eating, smoking it, or it's natural effects of rendering the scenery more awe-inspiring, or just by being more life that we interact with.

*to make illegal

The insane illegality of pot is the inverse of the sanity with which the general populace regards/indulges in it.

And I'm all for blanket decriminalisation aswell, I'd rather get coke and opium directly from the plant, primary production style, than from the legalised cocoa bean (a monopolised industry in itself, you won't find cocoa butter in the confectionary aisle) and chalk-and-chemical painkillers (codeine is refined heroin is refined morphine is refined opium (which probably has some natural beneficial compounds)). I've known people who took 20 pills a day recreationally, which benefits companies more than people.

[Duuvian]

Caffine does two things but really one thing. It is addictive and gives your body an energy high that eventually also leads to addiction on the basis that your body conforms to the caffine. A lot of people are addicted to coffee simply because they no longer have the ability to function without it.

Yeah, glad I never took up coffee. *injects Faygo directly into vein*

[Sergius]

Cannabis does have known negative health effects. It causes problems with short-term memory formation, impairs motor coordination, reaction times and judgemental facilities, can worsen(but not cause) schizophrenia and it's technically toxic, although you'd have to be injecting pure cannabis directly into your bloodstream to even approach a lethal dose. It doesn't cause addiction like nicotine, morphine or various other drugs, as it does not cause any withdrawal symptoms, but the feeling of well-being it produces can be somewhat addictive. Overall, it's not even as bad as tobacco or alcohol.

Huh, have you seen any actual scientific evidence of this? Link to studies, please. Everything I see is always, "Well, there seems to be a correlation but we don't have any hard evidence."

There was a study posted on one of them news blogs (an important one, but I don't remember which one - no, I'm not high on cannabis) where they took some of the most doped up dopeheads that had been doing MJ for like, their entire life (they were around their 30's - 50's I think) and had all the stereotypical pothead symptoms - they were mellow, forgetful, had a short attention span, you name it. So, they got off the dope for 2-3 weeks. After a bit, they regained like 100% of the cognitive abilities they had before being on dope: memory, attention, problem-solving abilities. They aced their tests, basically, proving or whatever that there were no or nearly no permanent adverse effect of the long-term use of marijuana. Also they didn't go into violent detox or anything (withdrawal).

I suppose after they got paid for the test they went back to smoking dope. I guess they just liked it.

EDIT: found it:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

It was referenced here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legends_about_illegal_drugs#Urban_legends_about_cannabis

EDIT 2: I forgot to add, I'm not saying these studies prove what Boksi said. Just pointing to actual studies (that, in fact, may point to the opposite).