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Should cannabis be legalised?

Definitely yes.
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Maybe.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 06:54:38 pm »

My reason for 'definitely no' is that it's just a stupid fucking thing to smoke; same goes for tobacco and alcohol (obviously not smoking there). I suppose this all just comes from my crippling fear of chaos and rampant drug-fuelled douchebaggery.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 06:55:15 pm »

I hate to be the guy who disagrees but letting the floodgates open just to spite OC wouldn't be good at all. My only supporting evidence I'll give towards it is that gangsters didn't just go away after prohibition.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 06:57:03 pm »

B. I support blanket drug legalization to counteract them being able to move to somthing else, along with prostitution legalization. The resulting power vaccum from these criminal organizations having all income besides petty theft suddenly removed will destroy them and bring crime levels to an unthinkable low.

Me too. Except.

Legalization most likely puts them under government control. Do we really want the government to have a hand in something as despicable as addiction? Really, who should have that power?

I hate to be the guy who disagrees but letting the floodgates open just to spite OC wouldn't be good at all. My only supporting evidence I'll give towards it is that gangsters didn't just go away after prohibition.

No, they move on to other addictions, like gambling. But do we really want them exploiting the population with things as terrible as heroin and meth?

I trust the government way more with that than gangsters.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2010, 06:58:04 pm »

My reason for 'definitely no' is that it's just a stupid fucking thing to smoke; same goes for tobacco and alcohol (obviously not smoking there). I suppose this all just comes from my crippling fear of chaos and rampant drug-fuelled douchebaggery.
Does the comradery, connectiveness, and mellow relaxation get overlooked too? There's not an ounce of aggression or hostility when I drink, and not really much action at all the few times I've smoked

FQ, I meant organized crime won't go away if dugs legalized, they'd move on to theft or extortion or something.
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2010, 06:59:19 pm »

Let me start by saying that I hate weed and refuse to smoke it.  I grew up with disdain for it in general, and when I finally tried it, I didn't like the effects at all.  It fucked with my sense of reality and made me really bummed out.

That said, I was completely docile and had no desire to drive, beat my kids, operate heavy machinery, etc.  It's less harmless than alcohol, equivalent to nicotine, and only a little better than caffeine.

Not to mention it has medicinal purposes for curing nausea in cancer patients (this has been proven) and in comforting the terminally ill (less proven).

Our society demonizes cannabis for stupid reasons, and I suspect it's mostly because 1) politicians are in the pocket of tobacco companies (and let's be honest, cannabis makes tobacco look like a little bitch), and 2) countries growing cannabis that is illegally imported to the US incentivize te govt to maintain the status quo.

Then again, my perspective is very US-centric
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 07:01:08 pm »

Oh you mean like alcohol, except with the secondhand effects of tobacco.

Maybe it is just me, but I think alcohol smells terrible, much worse then cigarette smoke.

As for why it is not legalized right now:

1: What Leafsnail said + Inertia.

2: Because this is a democracy and some people don't want to to be legalized. They have good points as well, because someone has differing thoughts does not mean they are wrong.

I hate to be the guy who disagrees but letting the floodgates open just to spite OC wouldn't be good at all. My only supporting evidence I'll give towards it is that gangsters didn't just go away after prohibition.

I agree, also, when you say all drugs do you mean all drugs? Truly all? Or just the ones that some people think don't do very much harm?

Really, who should have that power?

Ummm... By your own logic someone has to... As you say
I trust the government way more with that than gangsters.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 07:02:01 pm »

My reason for 'definitely no' is that it's just a stupid fucking thing to smoke; same goes for tobacco and alcohol (obviously not smoking there). I suppose this all just comes from my crippling fear of chaos and rampant drug-fuelled douchebaggery.
Of course it's stupid. Regardless, people will use it no matter what silly laws you make against it, and deserve the freedom to recreationally use drugs if they wish to do so. I think more than one person may have just started using it because of the "forbidden" aspect. We want what we know we can't have all the harder. If it isn't forbidden, many may just lose interest.

I hate to be the guy who disagrees but letting the floodgates open just to spite OC wouldn't be good at all. My only supporting evidence I'll give towards it is that gangsters didn't just go away after prohibition.
Like fqllve said, they moved on to another source of income (Gambling, more severe protection rackets), but they were never as powerful as they were when they could get rich off of prohibition. And today, the mob as it was known under prohibition barely exists in the US anymore. I don't know as much about outside of the US, but the only traditional italian mobsters I've heard of in recent years are in Sicily, unsuprisingly.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 07:04:01 pm »

Really, who should have that power?

Ummm... By your own logic someone has to... As you say
I trust the government way more with that than gangsters.

Someone does have to. Prohibition hasn't stopped people from doing them. I don't know that it should be the government, but I prefer that to amoral criminals.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 07:06:03 pm »


No, they move on to other addictions, like gambling. But do we really want them exploiting the population with things as terrible as heroin and meth?

I trust the government way more with that than gangsters.

Bingo, Im not saying that opening every drug would be a right option (Do we really want ALOT of people with crack addictions walking around outside our house?)

But the really issue here is peoples abilty of self restraint. Not saying all of us don't have it some do. But a large ammount of people posses so little of it? Would it be a wise idea to suddenly start selling it beacuse its legal, So a alot of people go back and buy it more and more. Take for example ciggerets My grandparents smoke at least 2 cartons a day. And worse some drugs are more addective then tobaco.

I trust the goverment more then gansters, But not the people.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 07:07:50 pm »

Mixed feelings about it. In one hand I don't think consuming cannabis should be prosecuted, and, indeed, even going for sellers seems a big waste of time. On the other, I don't want it being consumed en masse. The ball is still out on the full effects of cannabis on health, and personally I don't believe it doesn't share at least some of the ill-effects of tobacco over the airways, to some degree.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 07:08:06 pm »

Do we really want people with crack addictions walking around outside our house?
Chances are that those people would stay inside all day with their cheap legal crack than go walking around outside your houses.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 07:08:13 pm »

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 07:08:48 pm »

@Cript That statement was a little out of context. Someone said they supported allowing every drug to become legal to create a power vacuum in organized crime. I said I wouldn't support that way of thinking, and that they would move on to something else.

@MSH There's very little to no organized crime in my area, so I don't really worry about it. I'd support the legalization of cannabis, since it's not really all that bad for you or society, but I'd certainly draw the line at inhalents or more destructive drugs.

@Everyone in general
I'd also support peyote and mushrooms (and salvia), though LSD is way too destructive for legalization.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2010, 07:09:04 pm »

Why are Tobacco companies against mary jane again?

Any source of citation?

For myself, I dont see why they would be against it, when the tobacco industry is probably in the best position to take advantage over MJ being legalized.

Similar product, thats similarly cheap to make, similar profit margin without the cultural disdain of tobacco. What exactly is the so bad about MJ for tabacco company?

The only thing that MJ may not have that ciggy do, is customer product loyalty. Though that will remain unknown until its legal.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2010, 07:10:14 pm »

I think it should be legalized, except have a system similar to the ones in Holland.
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