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Cannabis
« on: December 02, 2010, 06:30:56 pm »

Personally, I'm in the camp that thinks cannabis should be legalised, and I don't even smoke the stuff.

The only negative effects cannabis has (using hash resin instead of tobacco as a binding agent) is that it MIGHT cause schizophrenia in teenagers if they smoke it as teenagers. Now, this was based off a study that was merely correlation (correlation does not mean causation) and no scientific fact. Let's assume it is true. Then, we have a situation where people under the age of 18 (or, if you prefer, 21) cannot smoke cannabis. Wait a second, what does this sound like? Oh, that's right, tobacco and alcohol.

Tobacco and alcohol are a pair of legalised drugs that are undeniably more harmful to the human body than a reefer made purely from cannabis products. And, yet, they are legalised. Cannabis is also only psychologically addictive, not physically. Unlike nicotine.

As far as I can tell, this is due to people being able to grow cannabis on their own in their own houses. Which would make it completely untaxable and would destroy the cigarrete market completely.

So, what do you all think? Should cannabis be legalised?

(I'm honestly interested in what some of the more intellectual people - I hope - of this generation think on the topic. It's just interesting to see people struggle against the government propaganda machine.)
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 06:32:42 pm »

well ity never did my any harm.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 06:36:13 pm »

It's just interesting to see people struggle against the government propaganda machine.

...I'm not gonna discuss this subject, mainly because if that wasn't at the exact end of your post, I'd just say "stopped reading right there". I can safely generalize that people who WANT cannabis legalized have at least one kind of paranoia included.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 06:38:29 pm »

Oh look another thread by The Transcendent Tyrant that... Seems off.

I am going to say, despite the health benefits of (well made) reefers, what ever they may be, you will not see a true health benefit in the way you are thinking. There is no way legalization will destroy the recreational drug industry and I have no doubt that any add on that are in cigarettes now that make them worse for you will sneak their way into 'big weed's' products.

It's just interesting to see people struggle against the government propaganda machine.

...I'm not gonna discuss this subject, mainly because if that wasn't at the exact end of your post, I'd just say "stopped reading right there". I can safely generalize that people who WANT cannabis legalized have at least one kind of paranoia included.

Better then most of his topics at this point.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 06:39:42 pm »

I would say no. Really, I don't want to worry about people smoking crap that will get someone high in public really. Plus people who want to get high can and will easily do it again, and again, and again... If always being in a nirvana of sorts won't cause a terrible emotional withdrawl when removed, then humans must have an unbreakable mental health. I just don't want to live in a society were (practically) no one gives a shit anymore.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 06:42:15 pm »

There's no reason to keep it illegal. The people who want to use it will use it regardless of the law, and the government has no right to tell us what we're allowed to consume in any case. Our prisons are stuffed with people who's only crime is using it, while violent criminals remain on the loose. Our crimefighting efforts are far better spent on things that actually harm other people. Not to mention that this will blow a huge hole in the income of organized crime, as would the legalization of any other illegal drug.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 06:43:42 pm »

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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 06:44:16 pm »

Oh you mean like alcohol, except with the secondhand effects of tobacco.

Doesn't Holland have it legalized, and yet it's not a big issue over there, like how nudity isn't some overtly terrible thing that should be concealed at every chance, yet people aren't streaking in the streets?
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 06:44:40 pm »

...I'm not gonna discuss this subject, mainly because if that wasn't at the exact end of your post, I'd just say "stopped reading right there". I can safely generalize that people who WANT cannabis legalized have at least one kind of paranoia included.

Consider this: Cannabis is a drug with very few negatives and a great deal of positives, especially for the treatment of the very angry and getting people off hard drugs.

Why would the government (the British government, especially) not want to legalise this drug? Why would they regularly release statements that "cannabis is dangerous" despite leading scientists saying, "It's not dangerous"? Why would they fire those scientists and make sure they NEVER GOT A JOB AGAIN?

The only reasons I can think of are "Holy shit they tobacco companies are paranoid about cannabis and don't want to lose their money and so the government is keeping it heavily oppressed" or "God damn, the British government is stupid".

I have to admit, Occam's Law would point to the latter, but I have a suspician that it's the former because... Come on, seriously?

(inb4 someone accuses me of being a conspiracy theorist or some crap like that.)

I would say no. Really, I don't want to worry about people smoking crap that will get someone high in public really. Plus people who want to get high can and will easily do it again, and again, and again... If always being in a nirvana of sorts won't cause a terrible emotional withdrawl when removed, then humans must have an unbreakable mental health. I just don't want to live in a society were (practically) no one gives a shit anymore.

I don't think cannabis really works like that.

And, as Criptfeind said, alcohol does that and worse.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 06:46:47 pm »

There's no reason to keep it illegal. The people who want to use it will use it regardless of the law, and the government has no right to tell us what we're allowed to consume in any case. Our prisons are stuffed with people who's only crime is using it, while violent criminals remain on the loose. Our crimefighting efforts are far better spent on things that actually harm other people. Not to mention that this will blow a huge hole in the income of organized crime, as would the legalization of any other illegal drug.
I agree except the organized crime part. Organized crime would either switch to legit methods or just move on to something else. The mandatory minimum sentence deal with cannabis is a rather lame side effect of The War on Drugs.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 06:46:55 pm »

"God damn, the British government is stupid"

Bingo.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 06:50:20 pm »

Apart from anything else, keeping it illegal is just... a waste of money.  We spend millions fighting it and locking away non violent criminals.  I mean, what is putting them in prison actually meant to do, other than introducing them to harder drugs?

"God damn, the British government is stupid"

Bingo.
Because no other countries have it illegal...?

It's a political tactics thing.  Legalising a drug makes parents think their condoning it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 06:52:17 pm »

I bet businesses would still drug test for it, so people wanting jobs wouldn't smoke it (or much of it) anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 06:52:29 pm »

It amazes me we've got three "Definitely no"s and yet no one has gave a real reason for not legalising it.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 06:52:37 pm »

There's no reason to keep it illegal. The people who want to use it will use it regardless of the law, and the government has no right to tell us what we're allowed to consume in any case. Our prisons are stuffed with people who's only crime is using it, while violent criminals remain on the loose. Our crimefighting efforts are far better spent on things that actually harm other people. Not to mention that this will blow a huge hole in the income of organized crime, as would the legalization of any other illegal drug.
I agree except the organized crime part. Organized crime would either switch to legit methods or just move on to something else. The mandatory minimum sentence deal with cannabis is a rather lame side effect of The War on Drugs.
A. If the methods are legitimate, then they aren't an organized crime group anymore, are they? In addition, illegal drugs sell for far higher than legal drugs due to the hazard of selling them, and thus why criminal groups focus on them as a cash cow. Chances are they'll just move on.

B. I support blanket drug legalization to counteract them being able to move to somthing else, along with prostitution legalization. The resulting power vaccum from these criminal organizations having all income besides petty theft suddenly removed will destroy them and bring crime levels to an unthinkable low.
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