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Aramco

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Does wrestling still not work?
« on: November 30, 2010, 04:10:39 pm »

I seem to remember that wrestling was a complete waste of training time, is it still?
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Urist McUristy

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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 04:13:09 pm »

They actually break bones now instead of releasing, if that is your question.
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Aramco

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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 04:15:12 pm »

They actually break bones now instead of releasing, if that is your question.

That may have been my question, as I am not entirely certain myself. I just heard it doesn't accomplish anything anymore.
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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 06:36:21 pm »

I once had a dwarf kick a salt blob forgotten beast in the body so hard that he died.

Of course i think that's the 'kicker' skill, not wrestling...
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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 06:39:09 pm »

Being skilled in wrestling is better than nothing, but you really ought to give your dwarves weapons.

Swords, axes, spears, hammers...anything! A skilled wrestler will beat a completely unskilled dwarf, but an armed dwarf will easily beat the wrestler.

Swords are my favorite. Swords are extremely nasty weapons, able to cripple or outright kill a creature with only a few hits.
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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 10:32:19 pm »

Wrestling in the hands of the AI is mediocre, and mostly up to chance, although they can exploit it for all it's worth if they actually grab something useful for once (like a joint lock or head-gouging with a free hand instead of grabbing random digits or articles of clothing with various portions of their limbs). 

In the hands of a player-controlled character, however, wrestling is massively powerful, since the AI cannot recover from having its weapons stolen as of this point in time, and a weaponless character dies horribly to a weapon-wielding character at pretty much any level of skill you are likely to encounter.  Of course, this only comes up during Adventure Mode.

I'd recommend just training up swordsdwarves or axedwarves for dwarf mode.  Chopping weapons fail against armor of the same material or above ("tiers" run roughly as silver<copper<(iron=bronze)<steel<adamantine), but steel weapons will cut through the armor of any enemy in vanilla DF (since none of them have steel armor), effectively meaning your enemies are unarmored, and chopping weapons are the best against unarmored opponents.  They are also the best against critters with no organs to rupture or blood to lose, like bronze colossi or forgotten beasts made out of something sturdy, as a bisection or decapitation is always an instant kill, and can be achieved on an enemy too large to one-hit by lumberjack-style chopping action. 
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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 12:07:26 am »

Choking things to death is quite fun.  That's adventure mode, though, so wrong forum...  :P
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Re: Does wrestling still not work?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 12:18:46 am »

1) grab neck
2) throw (guaranteed stun)
3) choke neck (required for strangling)
4) strangle neck (guaranteed knocking unconscious)
5) target neck, scratch (guaranteed cutting major arteries)
6) move on, you have already won
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