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[Dutchling]

The usual MRA filth stuff. He was described earlier as a "redpiller" This is an MRA term that references the Matrix.

Redpillers hate MRAs actually. They're too "beta" with their complaining about how feminazis rule the world and the "friendzone".

[smeeprocket]

A cis-gendered man has never had the experience of being a woman. It would be like a white dude telling black dudes what it is like to be black.

That is rather racist. There is no difference between a black person and a white person, other than colour and small physical things.

No, what you just said is erasure. There is a big difference with regards to what a black man experiences day to day and what a white man experiences. Our society is inherently built around the dominance of white males. You are welcome to ask any black man if he thinks there is a difference between how people and society treat him and how they treat white men, and I can make a good guess at what he will tell you.

One example, you are an awful lot less likely to get shot by the police while unarmed as a white man.

[smeeprocket]

The usual MRA filth stuff. He was described earlier as a "redpiller" This is an MRA term that references the Matrix.

Redpillers hate MRAs actually. They're too "beta" with their complaining about how feminazis rule the world and the "friendzone".

I didn't realize there were levels of MRAs. MRA sites use the term red pill, and they all have the same core values, so I'm not going to differentiate.

Women are inferior, rape is okay, "ugly" women are disgusting, "hot" women owe them sex by virtue of them breathing... etc etc

[scrdest]

it has nothing to do with game theory!

Helgo, that's not 'game theory' as in the theory of games, the mathematical construct, it's theory of GAME, singular noun. It's the... well, too many silly abbreviations to dump all in one place, but let's just say 'assorted misogynist dickbags of all species''s slang. The mention of Heartiste in the introduction should have been a tipoff - that guy is a fstd regular and I don't mean he *comments* there. Teal deer, mindtricking and manipulating women into sex.

so yeah, Not The Best People To Listen To.

[Knit tie]

Smeeprocket, do you, by any chance, use Tumblr regularly?

Teal deer, mindtricking and manipulating women into sex.

Not to mention being openly racist and running a photography blog where pictures of black people intermingling with while people are presented as "a proof of America's degradation."

Poor Anatoly ended up in a really bad company back then.

[TD1]

A cis-gendered man has never had the experience of being a woman. It would be like a white dude telling black dudes what it is like to be black.

That is rather racist. There is no difference between a black person and a white person, other than colour and small physical things.

No, what you just said is erasure. There is a big difference with regards to what a black man experiences day to day and what a white man experiences. Our society is inherently built around the dominance of white males. You are welcome to ask any black man if he thinks there is a difference between how people and society treat him and how they treat white men, and I can make a good guess at what he will tell you.

One example, you are an awful lot less likely to get shot by the police while unarmed as a white man.

You compared the difference between man and woman to the difference between races. You can raise a girl just like a man, but in the end they'll want different things. Raise a black like a white and you get a black person who doesn't adhere to stupid stereotypes, and vice versa. Plus, what it is to be "black" differs the further up the social scale you go. London toughs are different from London bankers. Well, maybe not that different...

Granted, you probably could raise a Tom Boy. However, there is a chemical difference between man and woman, suggesting it's not all that likely.

[Dutchling]

Calling everyone you disagree with as far as gender shenanigans are concerned an MRA isn't any different from them calling you an SJW.
Words have meaning you know.

I like my sources of internet amusement/disgust to be neatly organized, thankyouverymuch.

And to stay on topic (this is the terrified thread after all): check out /r/RedPillWomen. It has gems like "how to be a good first mate" and "the Slut, and how not to be one".

[Descan]

Game as in "playing games with women's heads to get into the pants," probably. >_>

Edit: Dwarfy, it's not about how they are raised or childhood.

It's about lived experiences. The lived experience of being a modern black person versus a modern white person. And the lived experience of being a woman versus a man. Regardless of where those differences come from, whether chemical/psychological or societal/cultural, they are still differences, and it is the same issue of telling other people how they themselves experience life.

[smeeprocket]

A cis-gendered man has never had the experience of being a woman. It would be like a white dude telling black dudes what it is like to be black.

That is rather racist. There is no difference between a black person and a white person, other than colour and small physical things.

No, what you just said is erasure. There is a big difference with regards to what a black man experiences day to day and what a white man experiences. Our society is inherently built around the dominance of white males. You are welcome to ask any black man if he thinks there is a difference between how people and society treat him and how they treat white men, and I can make a good guess at what he will tell you.

One example, you are an awful lot less likely to get shot by the police while unarmed as a white man.

You compared the difference between man and woman to the difference between races. You can raise a girl just like a man, but in the end they'll want different things. Raise a black like a white and you get a black person who doesn't adhere to stupid stereotypes, and vice versa. Plus, what it is to be "black" differs the further up the social scale you go. London toughs are different from London bankers. Well, maybe not that different...

Granted, you probably could raise a Tom Boy. However, there is a chemical difference between man and woman, suggesting it's not all that likely.

Yea, that's pretty sexist. And actually racist. Because black people don't adhere to stereotypes regardless.

Women do not like dresses and pumps and babies and pink by virtue of estrogen. None of that is in our dna.

I assure you, as a woman, I am not fond of any of those, except maybe pink. I don't like shopping or movies about relationships. None of these things are inherently female. These are what a patriarchal society tells us women should like. This does not make me a "tom boy" incidentally, it makes me a woman. Because that is what I am. A woman may choose to like or not like these things at her discretion, but nothing makes her actions more or less woman-y.

The chemical difference between men and women doesn't change the fact that we are all individuals. And it definitely doesn't cause us to adhere to specific gender roles. Gender roles are a societal construct. Anything that would be deeply affected by our hormones isn't that big of a deal because we are creatures capable of logic and reason, and we are not in anyway bound by the estrogen, testosterone, or other hormones floating about in our system. And those hormones definitely don't have any sort of specific preferences to colors or clothing or any type of toy.

[smeeprocket]

Calling everyone you disagree with as far as gender shenanigans are concerned an MRA isn't any different from them calling you an SJW.
Words have meaning you know.

I like my sources of internet amusement/disgust to be neatly organized, thankyouverymuch.

And to stay on topic (this is the terrified thread after all): check out /r/RedPillWomen. It has gems like "how to be a good first mate" and "the Slut, and how not to be one".

Fair enough.

I actually got in a debate with a self-proclaimed female MRA. But yea, I only heard the term red pill recently, so this is rather new to me. I just know what it implies.

I am tempted to have a look at that but... women who hate women are especially painful to read. I know that internalized sexism is a very real and very common thing but it doesn't make it any less depressing.

[Graknorke]

And actually racist. Because black people don't adhere to stereotypes regardless.

That's a pretty sweeping statement to make.
When the society around you your whole life tells you that you should do X, that's probably what you're going to end up doing.

[Knit tie]

I've always wondered, what if a woman is genuinely fond of pink and dresses and cooking and raising children, as many Russian women are, can she still be a feminist?

[Graknorke]

I've always wondered, what if a woman is genuinely fond of pink and dresses and cooking and raising children, as many Russian women are, can she still be a feminist?

No Knit tie, that's called ~Internalised Misogyny~
Because women are powerless to have opinions not demanded by men, unless it is a very specific opinion.

[smeeprocket]

I've always wondered, what if a woman is genuinely fond of pink and dresses and cooking and raising children, as many Russian women are, can she still be a feminist?

No Knit tie, that's called ~Internalised Misogyny~
Because women are powerless to have opinions not demanded by men, unless it is a very specific opinion.

it's funny because I never said there was anything wrong with liking those things. And there isn't. That just happens to be what society tells us to like. Plenty of my friends are homemakers and mothers. It doesn't make them any less feminist, but your assumption was I would think that because of your own stereotypes of feminists.

[Descan]

I've always wondered, what if a woman is genuinely fond of pink and dresses and cooking and raising children, as many Russian women are, can she still be a feminist?

As far as I know, and as far as any reasonable feminist has ever said, yes.

Because feminism is about choice*; not about what you do, but why you do it. If you like that stuff, go ahead? No one is going to stop you, in fact that is the point. But if you don't, you shouldn't be forced, directly or indirectly**, to participate in it.

*And, you know, equal pay, rape rates, custody, stereotyping, etc.

**Social shunning/mockery.

Feminism is the idea that, my word, women can actually ~do things~, competently even! Such a shock, I know, but it's true.