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[Dunamisdeos]

Nowadays though I hear the kids don't cut much, if at all.

I think it's mostly because there isn't that much to be learned from it that can't be read from books. I did dissect a herring in high school, and the teacher dissected a pig's heart, but they were more along the lines of demonstrations of what we've learned than an actual learning experiences. We also looked at thin onion slices under a microscope to see the cells, but most vegetables aren't particularly gruesome to cut up.

Sorry for pic only post. Immediately thought of this.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I have been present in ONE. No matter what you think, the worst thing is not what you hear or see... it's what you smell.

Now I dont know if  I can compare it with something... or maybe I can. Have you ever smelled something dead and rotting?

Do you have one of those bottles of peppermint concentrate? I've heard stories.

[martinuzz]

I think it's mostly because there isn't that much to be learned from it that can't be read from books. I did dissect a herring in high school, and the teacher dissected a pig's heart, but they were more along the lines of demonstrations of what we've learned than an actual learning experiences. We also looked at thin onion slices under a microscope to see the cells, but most vegetables aren't particularly gruesome to cut up.

Mostly, yes. At highschool we didn't cut much though, just a frog and a piglet. Most of my cutting was done during my biology studies at university. I am totally cool with replacing those with virtual reality. I don't completely agree though with what you said, that everything can be learned from books. The 3d placement of stuff inside an animal, or plant for that matter, isn't readily converted into 2d book pages. Virtual reality does allow for that though, which is why I'm totally cool with getting rid of real dissection. It spares a lot of animal lives.

[ChairmanPoo]

I have been present in ONE. No matter what you think, the worst thing is not what you hear or see... it's what you smell.

Now I dont know if  I can compare it with something... or maybe I can. Have you ever smelled something dead and rotting?

Do you have one of those bottles of peppermint concentrate? I've heard stories.

No. But I was asked to spray the area with hydroalcoholic gel while the guy who was actually doing this did this.

It was my very first ER shift, like, five years ago or so.

[hops]

Re. career option: I'm 18, I'm studying to become an engineer. Here's a secret: I'm still considering changing my career once I can get an engineer job and save for a double major. People will tell you that you have to find a career you know you will love, but if you can't tell you might as well find something to get you money to try out all the careers.

[itisnotlogical]

I would like to develop games and make some huge fuck-off labor of love like Undertale or something. But the truth is I've heard a lot of horror stories about labors of love. Relatively few horror stories out there about mobile ad-pusher microtransaction games.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Just wait until you look back on your life and realize your only contribution to the human race was something soulless and negative, then the horror will come.

[itisnotlogical]

even soulless and negative people gotta get paid bruh

[hops]

Just wait until you look back on your life and realize your only contribution to the human race was something soulless and negative, then the horror will come.

I mean, if you work, then you're sort of helping other people who might do something beneficial to the human race, so therefore a person is significant just by virtue of existing.

[IcyTea31]

I don't completely agree though with what you said, that everything can be learned from books.

Of course not. By 'be read from books' I meant 'be taught via methods that don't require getting one's hands dirty'. I would include videos and VR and such in the same category as books, when compared to actually taking a scalpel to an animal.

One more biology class memory: we did a few tests on blood samples we took from ourselves. At least that produced some unpredictable results; when opening up the herrings, the only data that wasn't the same for everyone was the fishes' sexes and whether the student could extract the swim bladder without breaking it.

[ChairmanPoo]

I don't completely agree though with what you said, that everything can be learned from books.

Of course not. By 'be read from books' I meant 'be taught via methods that don't require getting one's hands dirty'. I would include videos and VR and such in the same category as books, when compared to actually taking a scalpel to an animal.

I don't agree with that either.

[martinuzz]

I don't agree with that either.

Well, for anatomy lessons, yes, virtual reality can replace everything. For people training to be a veterinarian, or surgeon however, it is indeed nescessary to practice on the real thing (because you're learning how to cut, not how something looks like from the inside), although 3d printing techniques are rapidly replacing things there too. At least I think that's what you mean when you say that you don't agree with that.

[itisnotlogical]

Surely 3D printing a large section of a body is more expensive than just acquiring a cadaver?

[martinuzz]

Surely 3D printing a large section of a body is more expensive than just acquiring a cadaver?

For veterinarian studies, barely. Perhaps for common animals. Try getting 100 elephant corpses though. Hard, at least legally. Bad example maybe, printing an elephant would be quite a challenge. Good thing is, you can print just the part of the animal body you're practicing on, and leave out the rest.
For human surgery? No. 3D printing could very well become the final solution to 'why do so goddamn little people donate their bodies to science' conundrum.

[ChairmanPoo]

For human surgery? No. 3D printing could very well become the final solution to 'why do so goddamn little people donate their bodies to science' conundrum.

You jest, of course.  3D printing a realistic human body for education? There's no way that's going to be cost effective without dummying it out. And if you're going to dummy it out, might as wel stick with a dummy.