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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15615 on: February 20, 2016, 05:06:08 am »

Tell me what color is what you see directly behind your head.
It's black, but with multicolored clouds of acid green and magenta, if that makes any sense to you.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15616 on: February 20, 2016, 05:13:09 am »

Tell me what color is what you see directly behind your head.
Through the reflection at the edge of my glasses I can see a white wall. There is a white wall there.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15617 on: February 20, 2016, 07:03:32 am »

I really don't understand all you guys that are so terrified of death. Like, I get that you might dislike the idea, but... I just don't understand the way it seems to make you guys absolutely flip out. The world faces much bigger problems right now than the fact that people keel over after sixty to a hundred years (and slowly increasing all the time). If you want to make a difference to the world, work on fixing things that make life hell for people right now, rather than on something that will inherently only be useful to people who have a good life.

But meh.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15618 on: February 20, 2016, 07:37:05 am »

I had no experience before my birth and that makes me sad. The thought of going back to that way permanently terrifies me.

What terrifies me more is that this is a weird thought.
Don't fear the blank a-conscious of death! It'd be much better than, say, somehow retaining consciousness through the infinite time afterward. There's a relevant Pratchett quote for that somewhere...

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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15619 on: February 20, 2016, 08:01:55 am »

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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15620 on: February 20, 2016, 01:07:55 pm »

Tell me what color is what you see directly behind your head.
It's black, but with multicolored clouds of acid green and magenta, if that makes any sense to you.
To reference Pratchett some more, sounds like "octarine": the color of magic.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15621 on: February 20, 2016, 01:25:26 pm »

I really don't understand all you guys that are so terrified of death. Like, I get that you might dislike the idea, but... I just don't understand the way it seems to make you guys absolutely flip out. The world faces much bigger problems right now than the fact that people keel over after sixty to a hundred years (and slowly increasing all the time). If you want to make a difference to the world, work on fixing things that make life hell for people right now, rather than on something that will inherently only be useful to people who have a good life.

But meh.
As a counterargument, what's the point of fixing everything *else* if no matter what you do otherwise, all your efforts will ensure they will die ten years later at best, when you could ensure it's a hundred more?
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15622 on: February 20, 2016, 01:27:42 pm »

No such thing as death, only absence of life
The ending of a life is a type of absence, a different one

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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15623 on: February 20, 2016, 01:39:51 pm »

No such thing as death, only absence of life
The ending of a life is a type of absence, a different one
Then do indulge me and say; what is absent from the dead, other than life?
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15624 on: February 20, 2016, 01:47:19 pm »

Then do indulge me and say; what is absent from the dead, other than life?
What is absent from bacon, other than pig?

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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15625 on: February 20, 2016, 01:49:58 pm »

I really don't understand all you guys that are so terrified of death. Like, I get that you might dislike the idea, but... I just don't understand the way it seems to make you guys absolutely flip out. The world faces much bigger problems right now than the fact that people keel over after sixty to a hundred years (and slowly increasing all the time). If you want to make a difference to the world, work on fixing things that make life hell for people right now, rather than on something that will inherently only be useful to people who have a good life.

But meh.
As a counterargument, what's the point of fixing everything *else* if no matter what you do otherwise, all your efforts will ensure they will die ten years later at best, when you could ensure it's a hundred more?

Because there's no point in building a railway from Moscow to Beijing if the track cuts out fifty metres from each station (and at random intervals thereafter). Sure, you could get to Moscow from Beijing and vice versa if your train successfully jumps all the cuts, but the majority are going to derail at the first hiccup. It's much more useful to be able to get from Moscow to St. Petersburg, and then work on being able to go to Beijing.

(I have no idea if the geography there makes much sense, but I think I might lose a lot of you guys if I started talking in terms of Cape Town and Harare and Nairobi).
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15626 on: February 20, 2016, 02:32:44 pm »

In terms of potential good done and suffering averted, why is it better to work on maybe giving more people 70-80 years of good life rather than working on giving everyone 200-300 years of life and then working on improving quality later? Even if it takes a century to meaningfully raise global quality of life, that still results in more people living good lives for longer, both within a single generation and across all future generations.

This thing about wanting to live the best possible life now is something I've never really understood, for much the same reason as suicide. Certainly, it might be preferable to the current alternative, but life is inherently changeable. Ergo, continued life has the potential for future good where terminated life does not. The longer your lifespan, the greater the total potential good it can contain.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15627 on: February 20, 2016, 02:44:27 pm »

No such thing as death, only absence of life
The ending of a life is a type of absence, a different one
Then do indulge me and say; what is absent from the dead, other than life?

An immune system.

I guess that counts as life...

It's really not so much the death that worries me as the not living.

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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15628 on: February 20, 2016, 02:51:20 pm »

In terms of potential good done and suffering averted, why is it better to work on maybe giving more people 70-80 years of good life rather than working on giving everyone 200-300 years of life and then working on improving quality later?

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continued life has the potential for future good where terminated life does not. The longer your lifespan, the greater the total potential good it can contain.

And I don't mean good life. I mean life. Life expectancy in my country is just over 60 years. In much of Africa it's less than that. People in Canada, the UK and the US can expect to live for two decades longer than most of those on average.

According to the UN, it's less than 50 years in a lot of African countries, and less than 60 in another lot. Meanwhile, their estimates still peg Canada, the UK and the US as ~80.

Expecting to develop an aging treatment that will increase those 40-60 years to 200-300 and somehow be affordable for everyone in those countries in any reasonable timeframe is honestly in my opinion significantly more optimistic than hoping for the Second Coming in my lifetime.

I usually detest saying things like this for obvious reasons, but I really think that a lot of first-worlders don't realise how good they have it. To you guys, natural causes is the Next Big Problem. To me, it's... a desirable outcome. It's better than dying of AIDS, TB, cancer, black lung, malnutrition, homicide, drug overdose... The point is, there are a hell of a lot of issues in the world. Immortality is going to do sod all for someone who'll never live long enough to appreciate it, and would never earn enough to buy it anyway.
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Re: Things that made you absolutely terrified today
« Reply #15629 on: February 20, 2016, 03:03:35 pm »

In terms of potential good done and suffering averted, why is it better to work on maybe giving more people 70-80 years of good life rather than working on giving everyone 200-300 years of life and then working on improving quality later?
We could apply many more resources to curing aging if people not living in first world countries could expect to see their 80th birthday.
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