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[AntiAntiMatter]

Tough love is a wide area. It basically means that they arn't soft and supportive but rather they are pushy.

There is a difference between pushy and torture.

There's no evidence for that that doesn't originate from the "school" itself, or some organization of which it's a member

But it is where most of the evidence is.

Nitpicking.

Read some of their Fornits posts, for example, or the ones on other forums

He describes people that are psychologically disturbed, often deeply and horrifically, but are otherwise functional.

Okay, so they have been disturbed, but they are not in an asylum, therefore it must be okay. This is ridiculous.

[Neonivek]

acceptable use of tough love practices

No such thing. Abuse is abuse. It's never acceptable.

Wrong, spanking a child to re-enfirce what they have done is wrong is perfectly acceptable and effective when used properly.

If you were being cruel you would send them to pick the switch you use on them. That is true psychological terror.
/sarcasm?

From what I understand some child psychologists suggest that Corperal Punishment is actually a very effective tool, however they also say the force required for effective corperal punishment is actually so little you only need to touch a child in order for it to have a distinct psychological impact.

Though I question this information based on the premise that children learn how to act as an adult by the parent. Even if their "Hitting" wasn't actually hitting does it translate into such in their mind? Will it still process it as hitting?

There is a difference between pushy and torture

Yes, why are you saying that? What do you think my premise is?

Nitpicking

Yes, but still.

Okay, so they have been disturbed, but they are not in an asylum, therefore it must be okay. This is ridiculous.

Ok... What do you thing I am arguing?

No really... I am starting to think everyone here actually believes I am all for this school despite saying several times that I am not.

[ragnarok97071]

...
There are no words.
None.
I haven't even read any of the links, and I am pissed.
I am pissed also because I have no legal ability to do anything about this crapsack of a 'school.'
I'm going to go play violent video games until I calm down.
and then I will come back and talk some more.

[Aklyon]

...
There are no words.
None.
I haven't even read any of the links, and I am pissed.
I am pissed also because I have no legal ability to do anything about this crapsack of a 'school.'
I'm going to go play violent video games until I calm down.
and then I will come back and talk some more.

I recommend Hulk: Ultimate Destruction. best stress reliever ever.

[Vector]

Various studies show that children who have endured corporal punishment have significantly decreased IQs compared to those who don't.

Don't have any links right now, sorry.

[iceball3]

Various studies show that children who have endured corporal punishment have significantly decreased IQs compared to those who don't.

Don't have any links right now, sorry.

Which studies on what form of corporal punishment?

[Neonivek]

Various studies show that children who have endured corporal punishment have significantly decreased IQs compared to those who don't.

Don't have any links right now, sorry.

Which studies on what form of corporal punishment?

Does it matter?

A lot of the time it is more indicative of social changes. (Such as "Why Asians do better at school?" or "Why more wealthy families do better in school then poorer ones?")

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In the Asian case it was because their siblings helped them with their homework. In the Wealthy case they found that it really boiled down to which families had a dictionary for some reason.

I mean the way it is written it is almost like their brains were litterally beaten out of them while it could be that families who use corperal punishment could be those that don't value education as much or don't have access to education or something along those lines. (or as my biology teacher has said: Mother's who are exposed to trauma release chemicals into their child that actually affects their psychology)

Though if it is indeed that a child when exposed to violence actually degenerated that would be rather valued information to know. Though I somehow doubt that is the significant aspect, or rather that lots of use of Corperal punishment is indicative of a much deeper problem.

[Vector]

I believe it was any form of hitting.  Again, I can't remember the study... I read about it quite a while ago.

[Leafsnail]

In my oppinion there is a certain amount of harshness required in order to run a reform school. Certainly no where near this amount. I also think that no matter how much you may hate something you should at least make sure you know if it is actually doing the harm you believe it is. I HATE disinformation! A LOT! There is more to support that the school actually helps these children then there is to say it does quite the opposite and you can distrust the information as well. You can say that the treatment is inhumane and the torment doesn't offset the practices but you cannot make up information that the children are leaving this place mentally unstable.

*cough*

Not that it really matters.  I don't think stuff like this is justifiable, regardless of outcome.  Even if it changes someone who would've been, I dunno, a drug addict into a brainwashed member of society, that should've been their choice to make.

And if you're "psychologically disturbed" while seeming normal outwardly... well, that's also unacceptable.  You have a right to at least have an attempt at living a happy life.

Wrong, spanking a child to re-enfirce what they have done is wrong is perfectly acceptable and effective when used properly.

It's a great way to teach them that violence is the answer to everything, I guess.  And what do you do when they're bigger than you?

Vector - is this what you mean?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/165259.php

[ChairmanPoo]

We must inform Supreme Leader Kim Jong Il of this outrage!

[Urist Imiknorris]

Best birthday present ever: Not being on the forums to read this thread when it started.

I'm going to keep it that way.

[Virex]

Vector - is this what you mean?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/165259.php

What I'm more interested in is the relation between corporal punishment and criminal behavior on a later age. The average IQ of children doesn't affect society as much, but their tendencies to turn their peers and their families peers into a leaky mass of flesh does.

[ChairmanPoo]

If they are performing en masse worse than they would, it does have a quite important effect on society.

[Duuvian]

Unfortunately the best way to take this place down is an inside plant. Any volunteers?

[AntiAntiMatter]

Unfortunately the best way to take this place down is an inside plant. Any volunteers?

Anyone young enough to qualify would probably have this vetoed by their parents, and I haven't the faintest clue how that would work.