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[kaz420]

can i just get of them from the raw files?

[Rowanas]

That made no sense. I assume you want to get rid of them, correct?

[kaz420]

yeah can i delete them from the raws?

[kaz420]

nvmd i can

[Surray]

epic thread

[Aravin]

Cats are useful. Just kill off every female cat you get and leave male ones. As for me, i dont want vermins eating my food and lurking at stockpiles causing bad thoughts. So cats are useful. And they are so cute)

[Panthera Leo]

Honestly I don't much care for the fur balls either. They're somewhat useful, but there's no stable population control. Early on, they explode, and later when something significant (siege, giant cave spiders, titan, giant cave spiders ...) comes along it paints the walls red with them.

(Although it was funny then 30+ cats race to try to kill a single rat in a flooding tunnel they can't quite reach ... in .16)

There are not any other vermin hunters are there? Like a special cast of giant tigers with the [LIKES_FIGHTING] tag? Maybe slightly larger spiders that web the vermin? That way when the population explodes, they're be useful beyond frame rate KiddyMcSuicide. (I once saw three giant war lions take down a titan because it kept latching on and it couldn't fight back.)

[Fayceless]

Cats are useful. Just kill off every female cat you get and leave male ones. As for me, i dont want vermins eating my food and lurking at stockpiles causing bad thoughts. So cats are useful. And they are so cute)

Vermin eat your food stockpile, they become your food stockpile.  It's a problem that solves itself.  Happy thoughts are a luxury reserved for nobility.

[Lord Aldrich]

There are not any other vermin hunters are there? Like a special cast of giant tigers with the [LIKES_FIGHTING] tag?

There aren't any I can think of off the top of my head. You could always add the [VERMIN_HUNTER] (or whatever it is) tag, but the problem with that is that is changes the creature's AI package. Whatever you added it to would start to act like a cat as far as wandering about and adopting (i.e. mind controlling) your dwarfs.

[ElTacoLad]

Just forbid them from being taken as pets the moment they are born, and then butcher them for their delicious cat biscuits.

[schussel]

There are not any other vermin hunters are there? Like a special cast of giant tigers with the [LIKES_FIGHTING] tag?

There aren't any I can think of off the top of my head. You could always add the [VERMIN_HUNTER] (or whatever it is) tag, but the problem with that is that is changes the creature's AI package. Whatever you added it to would start to act like a cat as far as wandering about and adopting (i.e. mind controlling) your dwarfs.

just adding that tag to my current 40 elephants and releasing them .. yaaay fun ^^

[jwest23]

What about an army of trappers instead?  I've never tried it, but I expect you can bar cats from the fortress and rely on sheer dwarf power to do vermin control.

[Rowanas]

I decided to do away with the FPS drain from having war beasts and vermin hunters, so now I just breed Crocodile Monitors, a type of real life lizard that can grow to be larger than a man. They have clutches of 7-17 eggs, but take 4 years to grow to their full battle size. Dwarf Fortress can't currently model the actual colouration of a Crocodile Monitor, so it's stuck with turtle colours for the while. Also, I've screwed up somewhere and the "c" symbol I use for them doesn't work, they just show up as off-yellow squares. If anyone could tell me which obvious mistake I've made this time, I'd be very grateful.

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[CREATURE:CROCODILE MONITOR]
   [DESCRIPTION:A large, intelligent reptile that hunts vermin like a cat, and goblins like a dog.]
   [NAME:crocodile monitor:crocodile monitors:crocodile monitor]
   [CASTE_NAME:crocodile monitor:crocodile monitor:crocodile monitor]
   [CREATURE_TILE:c][COLOR:6:6:1]
   [PETVALUE:20]
   [AMPHIBIOUS]
   [NATURAL][PET]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC]
   [VERMIN_HUNTER]
   [TRAINABLE]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [PREFSTRING:bulbous snouts]
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE]
   [BODYGLOSS:CLAW_FOOT]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
   [RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL:300]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [SPEED:800]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:500]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:1000]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:20000]
   [BODY_SIZE:3:0:40000]
   [BODY_SIZE:4:0:80000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:10:20]
   [LITTERSIZE:7:17]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CHILD:1]
   [GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:crocodile monitor hatchling:crocodile monitor hatchlings]
   [DIURNAL]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GREEN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:scales:PLURAL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[JmzLost]

Just forbid them from being taken as pets the moment they are born, and then butcher them for their delicious cat biscuits.

That's the problem, though.  You can't forbid cats as pets, because the cat (or other VERMIN_HUNTER) chooses its own slave owner.  That's why cats are listed as "uninterested" rather than as "unavailable".

JMZ

[nenjin]

Just build a cage next to your Depot, put the cats in when they are born, and sell them off after there's 50 or so. Too much clutter results from having to butcher them all.

I don't mind cats because I'm pretty good about managing them. The problem is migrants with cat pets that basically force your population to expand.