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[Muz]

This is what MetalSlimeHunt just said:

A: The US did NOT bring allies into Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq.

I didn't say that. I meant that a war with North Korea would see much higher multinational cooperation than any of those three invasions, most of all from South Korea.

B: North Korea does not have a functioning government.

They might have a functioning millitary, but secret police and a token constitution while the nation starves does not a functioning government make.

C: North Korea does not have an extremely patriotic citizenry.

I said that we don't know how much of North Korea's population is extremely patriotic. Anyone who doesn't at least appear to follow the Great Leader like a god is long dead/sent to a death camp along with two generations of their family. How many are genuine and how many are putting up a facade is somthing that we simply do not know.

We also don't know any of those 3 points. The Western media has been extremely biased against NK, just like it was against Iraq. There were plenty of people who believed that Saddam raped children, that he would execute people at will, that he had secret police, that his people hated him, that he rigged elections.

I strongly doubt most of the things people say about NK. I've seen some videos of people in there, and the people are sufficiently brainwashed and skeptical of the outside world. The Western world likes to act like it's a free thinking world, but it's still not free from the influence of media. How do you know they have secret police? How do you know that they're starving? How do you know people hate them? Do you know that they send their people into death camps?

The media tells you all that. How do you know that they checked their facts? It's not like most journalists would know about secret police if they're secret.

With all the propaganda CNN had on the War on Iraq, the Americans thought that they were going to be greeted with flowers. But no, the civilians were more willing to kill themselves than let USA in. Why was that?

[Sheb]

Actually, that's why it's good to check various media. before the Iraqi war, CNN may have been blasting propaganda, but if you read other newpaper and looked at other channels (Try Al-Jazeera: they got great journalists) you could have known it was bullshit.

Now, about NK, either the whole world is in a conspiracy to darken the image of Kim Jong Il's peaceful regime, or they're evil. That's it.

[smjjames]

Part of the problem with knowing about NK is that they clamp down on information and themselves create a facade for foriegners, so its even harder to get reliable information out of there.

As for the CNN 'propoganda', I blame the Bush adminstration. I don't think I've heard that one about him raping children, still alot of people actually DID hate him, so we weren't wrong there.

[ChairmanPoo]

on't think I've heard that one about him raping children

Gulf War 1: the US organized a fake news item of Iraqi soldiers killing babies in Kuwait with the help of the latter's ambassador.

[smjjames]

on't think I've heard that one about him raping children

Gulf War 1: the US organized a fake news item of Iraqi soldiers killing babies in Kuwait with the help of the latter's ambassador.

I was just a kid then, so I wouldn't have known.

[Heron TSG]

This is bad. The world has been experiencing more and more wars. There have only been 3 weeks that no conflict has been ongoing in the last 50 years, where as 200 years ago that would be unheard of.

Show me one three week period that was over 200 years ago, and I'll show you who was at war.

[Leafsnail]

A. A war with NK would include more than the US.

Sure, ignore the coalition in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We don't mind.

[Eugenitor]

A. A war with NK would include more than the US.

Sure, ignore the coalition in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We don't mind.

Moar like a LOLalition, amirite?

The UK is providing minor support. A couple of other countries are providing token contributions to the unwinnable. The numbers of other countries' troops are so laughably low that they might as well not be there at all.

[ChairmanPoo]

Let's grant for a moment that stuff you just typed was true and not utter BS: what makes you think that Korea would be any different?

[Leafsnail]

Hey, we invaded Iraq with about 1/3 of the number of troops America had.  It's a fairly substantial amount.

And non American troops are needed to clean up the mess left behind keep control of some of the regions.

[Eugenitor]

There is no difference, Poo. If there's war it'll be US and SK against NK. And we better hope that China doesn't get involved on either side, because if they fight for Pyongyang (extremely, laughably unlikely) it's war war, and if they attack NK then you bet your ass they're going to redraw the border and we'll have a whole new level of problems with Sino-Korean relations long after the war's over.

The problem isn't winning the war. We have more than enough unstoppable bombs for everybody. The problem is the situation a few years from now.

Leaf: Sorry, it's just that we have a hard time taking you seriously in general.

[nenjin]

It's so cute when Eugenitor refers to himself in plural 3rd person.

[penguinofhonor]

I haven't read much about this recently but here's a new article on the situation. One thing to note is China's neutral "no comment" stance on the conflict, which is kind of dickish. But at least South Korea is calming down.

[Heron TSG]

I believe that the text of U.N. Resolution 82 says that the entire Korean peninsula belongs to the Republic of Korea, so I'm fairly certain that a large amount of allies would follow South Korea into the war, just like the first time.

[Tellemurius]

when china comes over at least they will deal with them.