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[MrWiggles]

Besides that, development of DF is becoming increasingly faster... maybe because the terrible design choices of Toady.

Actually, I dont think DF development is any faster at all. I think its been pretty regular. If you go back and read through the dev log, before the Dreaded Year of No Release! seem to be about the same as now.

Though I expect we're going to see some long term pause (but hopefully not a year + one.), as the DF AI rewrite, and pysche rewrite are both on the dev pages. I dont believe those are going to be short projects.

However, I do like how the dev's between release are more focused.

[thvaz]

Besides that, development of DF is becoming increasingly faster... maybe because the terrible design choices of Toady.

Actually, I dont think DF development is any faster at all. I think its been pretty regular. If you go back and read through the dev log, before the Dreaded Year of No Release! seem to be about the same as now.

Though I expect we're going to see some long term pause (but hopefully not a year + one.), as the DF AI rewrite, and pysche rewrite are both on the dev pages. I dont believe those are going to be short projects.

However, I do like how the dev's between release are more focused.

Compare how the adventure mode was before and after 31.17. In one month Toady completely changed the feel of adventure mode. It was underdeveloped, sure, but he wouldn't change it so much if he hasn't done so much everywhere in the game.

Even Caravan Arc, so much talked about since I first played DF in 2006, is coming together nicely. Look at the last devlogs.

[Max White]

Its all about enjoyment per penny, good sir.

By DF standard, you divided by zero and got infinity.

Which is actually bad math. 1/0 =/= ∞.

I know its bad math, thus why I feel I need to point it out. DF gives infinate enjoyment for nothing.

[Sowelu]

Minecraft has multiplayer and is 3D.  Thus, it has better visuals for what little you can create, and you can share it more easily with others.  It's the difference between drawing out a totally awesome schematic on paper that you show people, and building using legos with other people.  Honestly the latter has way more social and aesthetic appeal, even if the former is more intellectually stimulating.

[thvaz]

 Calling DF a schematic is too much an offense to 8 years of work of a man. How do you play schematics? DF is fully playable and have so many features it is hard to categorize its genre. Please stop the trolling.

[Sowelu]

Calling DF a schematic is too much an offense to 8 years of work of a man. How do you play schematics? DF is fully playable and have so many features it is hard to categorize its genre. Please stop the trolling.

1) You have no idea how many hours I spent as a kid scribbling out incredibly detailed schematics for places and things.  It's not an insult.  Also, as far as I know, legos weren't playable in the sense that they didn't have actual monsters, block-to-other-block conversions, the ability to build electronics (those would be different toys), the ability to walk around inside them to-scale, etc.  They ARE both games.
2) Lay off the goddamn coffee.

[MrWiggles]

Besides that, development of DF is becoming increasingly faster... maybe because the terrible design choices of Toady.

Actually, I dont think DF development is any faster at all. I think its been pretty regular. If you go back and read through the dev log, before the Dreaded Year of No Release! seem to be about the same as now.

Though I expect we're going to see some long term pause (but hopefully not a year + one.), as the DF AI rewrite, and pysche rewrite are both on the dev pages. I dont believe those are going to be short projects.

However, I do like how the dev's between release are more focused.

Compare how the adventure mode was before and after 31.17. In one month Toady completely changed the feel of adventure mode. It was underdeveloped, sure, but he wouldn't change it so much if he hasn't done so much everywhere in the game.

Even Caravan Arc, so much talked about since I first played DF in 2006, is coming together nicely. Look at the last devlogs.

Yea, I think the progress is the same, but it feels faster because its being focused. Inside of being nebulous in nature, we're seeing the short term goals being completed and it feels like its faster development.

Calling DF a schematic is too much an offense to 8 years of work of a man. How do you play schematics? DF is fully playable and have so many features it is hard to categorize its genre. Please stop the trolling.

1) You have no idea how many hours I spent as a kid scribbling out incredibly detailed schematics for places and things.  It's not an insult.  Also, as far as I know, legos weren't playable in the sense that they didn't have actual monsters, block-to-other-block conversions, the ability to build electronics (those would be different toys), the ability to walk around inside them to-scale, etc.  They ARE both games.
2) Lay off the goddamn coffee.

Holy crap, I used to do this too.

I did generally space ships based on pens. Using the clip as a hangar, and even making the stater rooms. I would even figure out the profile for the ship; likes what mission it was meant for and crew compliment and its break down. So I would know how many and what kind of rooms to draw.

I also did gloves. I would trace the outside of my hand and just draw gizmos on it.

[LoSboccacc]

Yea, I think the progress is the same, but it feels faster because its being focused. Inside of being nebulous in nature, we're seeing the short term goals being completed and it feels like its faster development.

this.

user interface/visible feature development always feel 'faster' because of the immediate feedback it gives.

users have a very nasty habit of misjudging the effort it takes to create any software. put together a loosely working set of fake web pages with non working fields and the users will think that the 90% of the work is done, while it's quite the opposite almost always.

[Herbiie]

What i find interesting is that the similar thread in the mine craft forums is about the same % for people who play Minecraft & people who play Dwarf Fortress, whereas here it's all DF.

[Rotten]

I swear I already posted in this thread...
I like DF more. The direction Toady is taking DF is better (my opinion) than the direction Notch is taking Minecraft. Plus we get updates at about the same frequency, but we also get constant dev-log feedback and funny bugs.
Plus the forum here is much, much better. Going onto the minecraft forums, especially the off-topic sections, requires several tons of industrial stupid bleach to dissolve the residual stupid.

[metime00]

I swear I already posted in this thread...
I like DF more. The direction Toady is taking DF is better (my opinion) than the direction Notch is taking Minecraft. Plus we get updates at about the same frequency, but we also get constant dev-log feedback and funny bugs.
Plus the forum here is much, much better. Going onto the minecraft forums, especially the off-topic sections, requires several tons of industrial stupid bleach to dissolve the residual stupid.

I also have something to say about the updates. When DF has game breaking updates, they aren't automatically downloaded. And we have less game breaking updates anyway

EDIT: today Notch just updated the downloads. They're not automatic anymore! Complaint revoked.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Compare how the adventure mode was before and after 31.17. In one month Toady completely changed the feel of adventure mode. It was underdeveloped, sure, but he wouldn't change it so much if he hasn't done so much everywhere in the game.

Even Caravan Arc, so much talked about since I first played DF in 2006, is coming together nicely. Look at the last devlogs.

You and others should know the only reason we're getting all these things now is because Toady took the year and a half to do the materials rewrite, and then additional months to fix bugs.

Even though you'll occasionally see threads on the forums complaining about how people want a certain feature now, there is a method to Toady's madness(programming schedule).

[Max White]

Even though you'll occasionally see threads on the forums complaining about how people want a certain feature now, there is a method to Toady's madness(programming schedule).

I'm going to have to agree with you after reading your post.
After all, I don't know that much on toadys personal life, (Max White is a casual worshiper of the great Toady) but I'm sure he must have had formal programming training, and so he would have been taught proper project structure, rather then just goes cowboy. Chances are he has done the real programming for features long to come, and colon placement is all that is needed.

[MrWiggles]

Well, Toady probably has some programming training. He believe he had a double major in Mathematics and Computer Science. Though before his school, he was programing games with his brother since a younger rage.

[lordnincompoop]

Both. You cannot compare these games; it's like comparing Deus Ex to Civ 5, Zork to Pong or CoD * to Need For Speed *.