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Author Topic: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow  (Read 3873 times)

Hclcasat

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Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« on: November 19, 2010, 12:53:27 am »

The title pretty much says it. Right now both are thrown into the same permit/forbid selection. I would like to keep fat only at my kitchens, and then pull a bit of tallow from there over to my soapmaker's shop. Thanks for your consideration!
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 01:52:05 am »

Yeah!  It was a real pain when I went through the stockpile screen to set up custom stockpiles for that.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 03:08:13 pm »

Makes sense.
Though in the name of efficiency, I put my butchery, kitchen, tanner, soap maker, so on, all together, if I feel like soap in that fort at least. Still wouldn't mind being able to change up the design though.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 01:27:53 pm »

But then you have the problem that the "make lavish meal" jobs from the manager are queued in your dedicated soap room, spoiling the efficiency. We need adaptable, potentially multifunctional and room-defined, workshops: define which jobs are allowed to be done at a workshop, and which ones aren't.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 03:03:37 pm »

Yhea I went trough the whole list on 3 occasions now. It was a reall pain and it should be easy to fix. (Can we do this trough modding?(probably but going to be somewhat hard)).
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 03:13:53 pm »

But then you have the problem that the "make lavish meal" jobs from the manager are queued in your dedicated soap room, spoiling the efficiency. We need adaptable, potentially multifunctional and room-defined, workshops: define which jobs are allowed to be done at a workshop, and which ones aren't.

I do. And it is also above the dinning hall. Yes, I make a very compact fort.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 08:55:46 pm »

I highly support this. Making a tallow and lye stockpile for my soapers is much harder than I'd like. Might as well split wax out, too. Especially with the importance of soap and the number of forgotten beasts.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 04:17:38 am »

The hassle could also be lessened if we could save custom stockpile setups, so we'd only have to go through it once.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 03:19:39 pm »

The hassle could also be lessened if we could save custom stockpile setups, so we'd only have to go through it once.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 04:20:06 pm »

The hassle could also be lessened if we could save custom stockpile setups, so we'd only have to go through it once.

Indeed.  Though there is one caveat in there:  all those FBs have "different" fats/tallows/etc. and are unique per world, which would create a bit of difficulty in terms of saving the profile, not to mention weird problems in restoring it.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 03:01:49 pm »

The hassle could also be lessened if we could save custom stockpile setups, so we'd only have to go through it once.

Not for those of us who test mods...  Every new animal is another entry on the list.

Although i think custom stockpile settings being saved would be a good thing, this particular  bit requires an actual separate entry in the food list.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 04:34:41 pm »

First time I tried to seperate the tallow from the fat, I gave up, couldn't believe how long the list was. Geez, every single animal in the game is on that list and a ton of FBs too. Can't believe some of you actually did it.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2011, 07:32:57 am »

I tried seperating fat and tallow once. I quit midway through the list, and I still get nightmares about it.
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Re: Suggesting: Separate Stockpile Categories for Fat and Tallow
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2011, 08:41:10 am »

The hassle could also be lessened if we could save custom stockpile setups, so we'd only have to go through it once.

You could do this now with the macro recorder, but it's not ideal. But you could save up the macros you created just in case Toady implements saving custom stockpiles, then convert them.

The only problem would be if categories changed, you might have to recreate a lot of macros.

Actual i might look at this, if it goes :-

goblin fat
goblin tallow
gremlin fat
gremlin tallow

etc

Macros would be the way to go

EDIT : I tested this AND IT WORKS (you only have to do the hard bits once ever if you keep the macro).

EDIT : steps below work, but there was something called 'fluffy wambler pudge' in the middle which meant the fat/tallow pattern wasn't 100% reliable. All up I had every fat selected and no tallow in under 2 mins.

Steps to reproduce

1. hit 'p' then 'f' then create a stockpile hit 'q', cursor over stockpile, and hit 's', navigate to food and 'b' to block all. navigate to 'fat' section, put cursor on first fat OR tallow, depending on need.

2. hit 'ctrl-r' to start recording, take it slow now because every key is recorded. If you make a mistake hit 'ctrl-r', move cursor to next unselected item and use that as the start for the page. Hit ctrl-r to start a fresh recording.

3. select every alternating fat or tallow, your choice. Try and swipe several pages, I did one page only and regretted it. make sure it's on an UNSELECTED fat or tallow (matching your needs again) before hitting 'ctrl-r' to stop recording then 'ctrl-s' to save. It'll ask for a name.

4. Now, hit ctrl-p and it'll swipe as many pages as needed. Make sure it's finished moving before each click on ctrl-p, you need to check it's swiping the right ones as you go because the pattern isn't 100% reliable (fluffy wambler pudge), or if you hit ctrl-p or any other key while the macro is still running it might interfere.

I Use this method for selecting trade goods too. ctrl-l lets you load a macro.

You only have to do this once, after the macro is working it can be used to create the opposite type of stockpile with less work (steps 1 and 4 only).


« Last Edit: April 01, 2011, 09:27:58 am by Reelyanoob »
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