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[Neyvn]

I still am never happy with the Tahark Hoard when I write them, I changed it a bit but it still feels the same as before...

I will have another look at it after work today and see if I can change anything about it for a better read, right now personally I don't like it...

[Nirur Torir]

Yeah, Nuirir is the only one (so far) who looks like he won't turn out evil, and even he looks like he has the goal of taking over the world for his own benefit.

I most certainly am not going to take over the world for my own benefit.

...

Civilization is for the benefit of everybody.

...

Anybody who stands on the side of civilization is a potential ally against the chaotic forces of barbarianism.

[lemon10]

No, its to the benifit of everyone IN the civilization, its bad for everyone else
and also the The Necro-kains seem pretty civilized, but i don't think that their civilization will help everyone else very much.

But yeah, i suppose i am on the pro civilization side against all the barbaric races.

[abculatter_2]

Spoiler: Nirur Torir, Holy Empire of Zor (click to show/hide)

You awake with a large number of your followers on the rim of a large valley in a strange, twisted and seemingly barren landscape. The sky above you is a roiling haze of color, brown, black and red predominating though with nearly every other color represented somewhere. You find nothing analogous to a sun, and thus arbitrarily assign your right as east, your left as west, your forward as north, and your backward as south.

To the west, the valley continues, sloping steeply until ending in a massive canyon rimmed with a peculiar tinge of leathery tan. To the north and south, the valley's upper limits can be seen to end with a sudden cliff topped by a gnarly tangle of what can only be identified as greenish-blue glass. To the east, a gargantuan mountain of solid black stone rises ominously, its sides sloping upward with a perfect, artificial smoothness and ending in an abrupt spike.

Traits:
Ordered March: -15% Military Upkeep
Glory of Zor: +1 Morale

City of New Everview
  Population: 1000

  Buildings
Portal Mark

  Leaders:
Governor

  Technologies:
Ancient Knowledge
Classical Ingenuity

Also, I forgot to add to the first post: You can spend labor to further explore a specific hex, which will reveal more about that hex and, in the case of the Tempest-Tossed, will reveal potential uses for whatever resources the land holds. There is, however, a risk that some or all of explorers will not come back.

Also, I need to make up some buildings for you guys to make...

[Criptfeind]

So civ vs wilds?

Coo.

Also, if you need to / need me to make changes to my back story and what not to fit the setting better I can do that.

[abculatter_2]

Your backstory's fine, and honestly the world kinda hasn't been developed all that much, so your backstories help flesh it out. The only requirement for native-born is that they must be either evil, twisted, just plain weird or some combination of those.

Spoiler: USEC_OFFICER, Dominion of Likslisk (click to show/hide)

There is a new ripple within the beatings of the earth... New beings, foreigners, invaders, have taken their first arrogant steps upon this world. These beings will not do... They do not belong in this world... Your world.

They must be destroyed.

Traits:
Amalgamate: Military unit stats are randomized, chance of a unit gaining a unique ability upon creation
Mindless: -20% research, +1 Morale

City of Ill'thskz
  Population: 1000

  Buildings
Glass Winnower
Crude Slums

  Leaders:
General
  Ability: Avatar of Likslisk; increases the morale of attached units, while decreasing enemy morale

  Technologies:
Crude Knowledge of the Essence
Shard Winnowing

Crude Knowledge of the Essence:
  Allows construction of Crude Essence Farm

Crude Essence Farm:
  +1 food
Must be built on a source of Essence


Shard Winnowing:
  Allows building of the Shard Winnower

Shard Winnower:
  Allows creation of Glass Shard weaponry

EDIT: I forgot to change the city flag color... ignore that for now. It'll be fixed in the next update.

[Vanigo]

Hmm... Sounds like fun. I'm in; I'll get to writing up a civ.

Say, when you say magic is dangerous, how dangerous are we talking? Mucking around with plutonium levels? 40k levels?

[abculatter_2]

Spoiler: lemon10, The Nameless (click to show/hide)

Upon stepping from the portal, the first reaction of both you and your comrades are to kiss the ground and sing jubilee, though you immediate wonder if you have stepped from one hell to another. The world around you is a chaotic bramble of gnarly, bluish-green glass, with the only reprieve being a sky of roiling, chaotic colors. The land is strange and foreign, and you soon begin to feel the hostility of this land close in on you... Yet something about it is strangely invigorating.

Traits:
Essence Affinity: +1 MP to all spellcasters
Glass Fields: +20% City defense bonus, +15% labor cost for all buildings

City of Sundol
  Population: 1000

  Buildings
Portal Mark

  Leaders:
Great Sage

  Technologies:
Ancient Knowledge
Mystic Heritage

Hmm... Sounds like fun. I'm in; I'll get to writing up a civ.

Say, when you say magic is dangerous, how dangerous are we talking? Mucking around with plutonium levels? 40k levels?

Both. Magic is some nasty stuff here, but I'll try to make sure the risk is worth it, if just barely.


Have to go to bed now, I'll try to get the others finished tomorrow.

[Vanigo]

We need more good guys, I think. Or more halfway-decent guys, anyway.

Tempest-Tossed
Civilization: Gralia
City name: New Gralia Academy
Race: Mostly humans and gnomes
Theme: SCIENCE! Sometimes it's even reliable science!
Description: The survivors of the Gralia Academy Portal Disaster are a disorganized lot. The university town around Gralia Academy had no major government center, and what they've put together since is ramshackle at best. The Dean does his best, but even an expert governor would have a hard time managing the willful and highly individualistic New Gralians. They've got a strong sense that they need to pull together to get through their new situation, but getting two of them to agree on which direction to pull is a real struggle. They make up for it, though, in sheer unflagging zeal.
Most New Gralians are at least slightly manic, overflowing with energy and enthusiasm for whatever project strikes their fancy, and are quite often brilliant to boot. Of course, there are downsides. They're not your typical mad scientists - most notably, they have a healthy respect for the dangers of their profession, especially after the Portal Disaster - but they've got many of the same traits. They're unfailingly optimistic, enormously motivated, and wildly inventive, but also unruly, prone to monomania, and poorly suited to unskilled labor.
Religion is not terribly popular among New Gralians, but most subscribe to an informal philosophy exalting knowledge and honesty as the highest virtues.
History: The New Gralians are the survivors of the Gralia Academy Portal Disaster, a magical disaster that replaced Gralia Academy and most of the surrounding town with a spherical crater some 40 years before the rest of the world went to hell. It was not entirely destroyed, however, and parts of the Academy and Town eventually found themselves in this hellish new world. (It's not clear if they were in stasis for 40 years or if they traveled into the future or if timelines of the old and new worlds are orthogonal or what, but it's widely considered to be a facinating area of study.) It's not clear which experiment actually caused the disaster, but most people agree it was either one of the teleportation experiments or the guy who was trying to manipulate demonic energies into sealing themselves. None of the researchers in question survived the disaster, though, so they will probably never know. Not having seen the bitter end of the old world has left them more optimistic than most refugees, and they quickly set about making the best of their situation with pluck, vigor, and very poor organization.

[Vanigo]

Oh, by the way, can I suggest a rules change? I've come to the conclusion that morale is way too important as things stand, and population growth should be based mostly on something else - probably food availability or the like.

[abculatter_2]

Oh, by the way, can I suggest a rules change? I've come to the conclusion that morale is way too important as things stand, and population growth should be based mostly on something else - probably food availability or the like.

Alright, though morale should definitely have an effect on productivity, possibly research and military as well. Sustained low morale should cause rebellions, riots, and/or protests and should affect population growth.

As for exact mechanics, how about a base increase of 1% per year, plus 2% if you have 20% more population capacity then the population, plus 1% for meeting food demand for at least 3 turns, plus another 1% for meeting food demand for an additional 3 turns. Sustaining 8+ morale for at least 1 turn adds another 1%. Sustaining 3 or less morale for at least 2 turns decreases it by 2%.

[Vanigo]

That sounds awfully complicated. The notion I was toying with was... well, also pretty complicated, to be honest, but without the multi-turn effects, so there'd be much less bookkeeping. Increase food production across the board, but increase base food consumption to 2 per population point. Split morale into prosperity and morale, with prosperity determined mostly by food consumption. Prosperity has the biggest effect on population growth, and also influences morale. Morale has a small effect on population growth, and affects productivity and probably military units.

[IronyOwl]

Personally, I'd go back to a Civ-style method, where you just amass food to increase population, and each successive increase takes more and more food. It makes population harder to get the more you have of it, rather than vice versa.

For morale, I'd probably say that for every X population units you please, you get a bonus labor, probably stacking multiple times. This would give it a growth effect in that the larger you are the more luxury you need/have use for, but still avoid multiplicative growth issues, since a large and small population still gets the same benefit per point.

[Criptfeind]

Ello? Need some helps?

[Vanigo]

Personally, I'd go back to a Civ-style method...

It's gamey, but it works. You'll probably want to get rid of population loss from creating military units, though; no sense having fractional population points with a system like this.