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[Pandarsenic]

;-;

good ruck townies.

[logismo]

I've actually been to that site, Arge, it IS a time sucker! lol! Thanks for the advice.

As for NativeForeigner; you overestimate me and are spinning a tale of assumptions. You know what assuming does? It make's an ass out of u and me.

[inteuniso]

Ok, LYLO now.  Wonderful.  And even if we get scum this lynch, it's LYLO again tomorrow too.
Firstly, I don't really know about Logismo any more.  He's being a beginner, not scum.  He could be beginner scum, but I don't really think so. I really don't like how he's played, but I also don't think that lynching him in LYLO is good idea.

inteuniso and Argembarger, however, posted a vote on logismo and almost nothing else.  I'm sure at least one of you is scum.

inteuniso, you have lurked hardcore this game.  You've done nothing but come out of the woodwork every now and then to vote (bandwagon more like) someone, giving only a parroting answer each time?
You said you wanted to find scum.  How do you think you have helped find scum at all so far this game?

I've only voted for logismo. I've never "bandwagoned" except pointing out that I already am voting for logismo. I've known logismo is scum, I know he is scum. He's never scumhunted, and his only votes have been bandwagoning.

Now lets Lylo and take down some scum.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Argembarger: {0} 
NativeForeigner: {0} 
inteuniso: {1}  KaminaSquirtle
KaminaSquirtle: {0} 
logismo: {2}  Argembarger, inteuniso

Not Voting: logismo, NativeForeigner

Day 3 ends Today, 12/10 at 11 PM EST.

[Zathras]

With Toaster's kind permission, a Public Service Announcment:

You say ee-ther and I say aye-ther, You say nee-ther and I say nay-ther.
Ee-ther, aye-ther. Nee-ther, nay-ther, Let's call the whole thing off.
You like po-tay-o and I like po-tah-to, You like to-may-to and I like to-mah-to.
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. To-may-to, to-mah-to, Let's call the whole thing off!
LurkerTracker^®

Argembarger has 25 posts; the last 4 hours ago. Red text: logismo Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25]
KaminaSquirtle has 13 posts; the last 44 hours ago. Red text: inteuniso Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]
NativeForeigner has 17 posts; the last 1 hours ago. Red text: Taco Dan Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17]
inteuniso has 9 posts; the last 1 hours ago. Red text: logismo Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
logismo has 16 posts; the last 14 hours ago. Red text: Taco Dan Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]

Dariush: dead, town Ranch Dressing (protector/blocker) has 15 posts; the last 8 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]
Flintus10: dead, town Hard-boiled Egg (cop) has 6 posts; the last 237 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6]
Pandarsenic: dead, town To-mah-to (townie) has 20 posts; the last 13 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]
Taco Dan: dead, town Carrot (watcher) has 17 posts; the last 49 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17]

Moderator has 25 posts; the last 1 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25]Replacements considered: Azure Sepulchre => KaminaSquirtle.
The Morgue: Flintus10: dead, town Hard-boiled Egg (cop); Dariush: dead, town Ranch Dressing (protector/blocker); Pandarsenic: dead, town To-mah-to (townie); Taco Dan: dead, town Carrot (watcher).

Moderator: please prod KaminaSquirtle. They haven't posted in over 36 hours.Notes:
1) The RedText finder finds your last red text, even if it happened the prior day; it does not reset votes at day end... maybe it should?
2) Players who haven't posted in 36 hours or more will be highlighted and a prod automatically requested. Replacements considered are listed.
3) I'll drop in every few days with a new one if people find it useful. Let Toaster know if you object.

[Toaster]

Twelve hours and no posts?  Remember, the day ends in three hours unless I get two extension requests.

[Toaster]

After the vote, you decide to bust a cap in Logismo.  You stuff him in a small shroom in the nearest building and blow it up like a puffball!  After the dust settles, you spore over his belongings.  He’s no fun guy, but he is a fungi- he is a Mushroom, and a member of the Mafia!  You all feel as high as a toad on a stool!  There’s one morel of the mafia left- you better find him before you all get taken on a bad trip!

You used to be a fun guy, but now you’re just a criminal.  You can spread a cloud of spores around somebody’s house at night, and the next morning you can see who has spores on them, letting you know who visited that house that night.

At night, you may target one person.  You will get the names of anyone who actions them that night, but not what they did.

You are mafia.  You win when you equal or outnumber the town.

Night 3 begins now!  Night 3 ends Monday, 12/13 at 11 PM EST.

[Toaster]

The morning head count shows a total lack of Kamina.   You leaf the town square and bolt over to his house, where you find a scene of total carnage.  His house has been nearly torn to pieces!  You pick through his destroyed possessions to his bedroom, where you don’t see him... until you realize he’s everywhere.  He’s been shredded into tiny pieces!  “Lettuce get out of here!  Truly this is the work of a master criminal!” someone shouts.

You return to the town square.  This is it- one way or another, this ends today!  The good people of Salad Town are depending on you!

You are Iceberg Lettuce, a stalwart of any true salad, and well respected throughout the greens community.  Too bad you don’t really do anything special, other than contain a lot of fiber.

You are a Townie.  You win when all the scum are dead.

Day 4 begins now!  Day 4 ends Wednesday, 12/15 at 11 PM EST.

[Argembarger]

Noses to the grindstone, gentlemen. This is it.

I was reviewing the thread, and I noticed some trends that disturbed me somewhat.

First of all, NativeForeigner. Here's why I think so.

1. Look here, here and especially here. Out of the last 3 days, Native has only kept a vote to the end of the day once. Why? That is very strange behavior. Votes are the strongest weapon any townie has, why withhold yours? Are you worried about attracting attention to yourself? That seems scummy, and I don't like it. Also, look at yesterday's vote count. The only other person who didn't vote was logismo, who flipped scum.

2. Here you are voting against an extension, something that is pointless at best and dangerous at worst in the beginning of a game. Normally I would say, oh, well clearly you thought you had scum pegged down (and town actually did, logismo was a pretty early target), however, you didn't even have a vote down when you voted to not extend! It's like you were content to sit back and not participate, and indeed stifle discussion and scumhunting by ending the day prematurely. And then here you change your mind, mostly because everyone else wants an extension. These shenanigans, as well as the parroting about Dariush and the waffling on Pandar were dismissed by Kamina as noobtells, but that's a really dangerous stance to take at this point, considering how critical of a situation we are in. As far as I'm concerned, all tells are fair tells.

3. This post reeks of scumminess. You're basically saying you want other people to do your scumhunting for you, and you say you'll vote at the end of the day, which you clearly did not do. This is just the kind of passive move I would expect from scum.


On the other side of things, Inteuniso.

He's been slightly lurky this game. But, he also went after Logismo throughout the entire game. Since Logismo flipped scum, I have a hard time believing that Inteuniso could also be scum. There's always the possibility of bussing, of course, but he's been after Logismo since the beginning of the game. That's more than just bussing, that's tunneling. It would also be scum suicide, if he were scum.

He doesn't have many posts. But almost all of them are directed towards taking down confirmed scum. And even though lurking is scummy, I'm loathe to suspect Inteuniso because of little evidence over suspecting Native with plenty of evidence.

Because of all of these factors, I believe NativeForeigner is the remaining scum. Especially because of Points 1 and 3. Those are what really convinced me.

[NativeForeigner]

1. Look here, here and especially here. Out of the last 3 days, Native has only kept a vote to the end of the day once. Why? That is very strange behavior. Votes are the strongest weapon any townie has, why withhold yours? Are you worried about attracting attention to yourself? That seems scummy, and I don't like it. Also, look at yesterday's vote count. The only other person who didn't vote was logismo, who flipped scum.

Most of this game, I missed my chance at voting because I couldn't log on in time to cast it before day's end. I know it's not much of an excuse, but that's really just it. Sure, I could have voted earlier, but I have what's quickly becoming a bad habit of waiting until I'm fairly certain.

Additionally, the only reason I didn't vote Logismo this last day was because I was hoping he could say something before day's end. Which never really happened (except to use a lame excuse of assumptions and "overestimating him) and he got lynched

1) I'm not the Mafia, if I were Mafia I probably would have killed Kamina and Taco Dan for being suspicious of me.

That could also be taken as a reason to  believe that you are Mafia. You might be new, but that doesn't mean you didn't have the sense to not go for someone who was suspicious of you, thus placing even more suspicion upon yourself.

Also, Pandarsenic got NKed. And just before that happened, he was getting on you pretty hard about your potential slip, Log. However he didn't actually vote for you which might have made it seem less likely to bring about suspicion while still getting rid of a potential threat.

Also, Kamina, you seemed to suddenly forget about the "sweet slip-up" immediately at the start of the second day without giving a very good explanation as to why.

Bringing your attention to the above, unless you're going to claim I'm bussing him, I'm poking holes in his argument and trying to bring attention back to him from Intuensio. If I was scum, I'd be trying to do the opposite and would have ended up siding with Kamina and using my vote to save Logismo and win the game for the scum. Which I DIDN'T do. It would have been an easy win for us and I'm actually surprised it didn't happen.

2. Here you are voting against an extension, something that is pointless at best and dangerous at worst in the beginning of a game. Normally I would say, oh, well clearly you thought you had scum pegged down (and town actually did, logismo was a pretty early target), however, you didn't even have a vote down when you voted to not extend! It's like you were content to sit back and not participate, and indeed stifle discussion and scumhunting by ending the day prematurely. And then here you change your mind, mostly because everyone else wants an extension. These shenanigans, as well as the parroting about Dariush and the waffling on Pandar were dismissed by Kamina as noobtells, but that's a really dangerous stance to take at this point, considering how critical of a situation we are in. As far as I'm concerned, all tells are fair tells.

This was on the first day, I felt that extending the day would do little good for us. But once Pandar brought up letting Kamina have a word, I changed my mind and decided to go ahead and extend the day, as I wanted to hear from Kamina. I didn't have a vote down because I felt that randomvoting someone would hurt town (which it did. We killed off two special roles in a role and brought ourselves to LYLO quickly). However, no one else agreed with me on this matter and my vote would not have done much in any case.

I don't really see parroting as a tell, but that's just my opinion. I had nothing original to contribute at the time and I wanted to avoid lurking. I also wasn't aware of my waffling. (In fact, an actual definition of waffling would be helpful).

But I certainly don't want to be underestimated because I'm new and it could just be noobtells, I don't want that. Logismo tried to convince me that his were noobtells

As for NativeForeigner; you overestimate me and are spinning a tale of assumptions. You know what assuming does? It make's an ass out of u and me.

And that would have ended badly if we believed him.

3. This post reeks of scumminess. You're basically saying you want other people to do your scumhunting for you, and you say you'll vote at the end of the day, which you clearly did not do. This is just the kind of passive move I would expect from scum.

That was a mistake of me to even say that. But I wasn't trying to suggest that others scumhunt for me, I was simply letting everyone know that a lot had happened and I needed to catch up on everything and I didn't do so in time to cast a vote. If you want to see how I play scum, look at the last BM.

It's unfortunate that I'm the target of your accusations right now, but I'm certainly not going to play the "You'll all see" card, that NEVER ends well. I just ask that nobody bandwagons and you feel compelled to take another look at things.

[NativeForeigner]

Now, for my accusations. Inteuniso, Kamina was giving you some heat at the end of the day and he ended up getting NKed. But you were also going after Logismo. My guess is you were bussing Logismo and Kamina scared you when he confronted you so you NKed him. However, I don't really think this is the case. You could have almost certainly saved Logismo if you were his scumbuddy, but you didn't do that. You're either really clever scum that took the risk of sacrificing one of your own, or town. And seeing that you would have won if you had saved Logismo, that means you're probably town.

So we're probably playing with a somewhat clever scum who wanted to frame Inteuniso. And since it's just us three, that leaves you, Argembarger. This isn't a reactive vote at all. It's process of elimination. Inteuniso is town, I'm almost completely positive of that. While I have no certain scumtells on you, I don't have any towntells either.

I guess I can see your point for not simply attacking logismo for the exact same thing: However, I would prefer to hear from logismo first. That crack about him considering Taco Dan to be a "teammate"... saying he believed Taco Dan to be town, and voting for him anyway... it doesn't add up... it looked like a bandwagon vote, because no reasoning was given, unless you count

Here you seem to be distancing yourself from Logismo. And, in the same sense of Ineuniso, you COULD have saved him but didn't for whatever reason. But it's the NKing of Kamina that got me. Sure, it could have been a rookie move by Ineuniso, but it seems more likely that you NKed him to put MY suspicion on Ineuniso.

And then you come out of the blue with this post directed almost entirely at me. Then you mention Inteuniso as an afterthought to avoid looking suspicious. Unfortunately, you also gave another towntell for him. The fact that he has been after Logismo this entire game, which would be tunneling if he were scum.

That leaves only you, Argem, as the remaining scum.

[inteuniso]

I was going to post earlier, but I was tired, and I was afraid of my scumhunting might not be up to par.

Now, I realize my vote is going to tip the balance. Lylo, or win? I've been looking for evidence to make sure I have the right vote, and town wins the game.

NativeForeigner, you're the scum. How do I know? Looking back on your posts, it's the scumminess of your thoughts, and your actions.

You could defend yourself by saying "I went after logismo!" Yes, you did, on the second day. After I had already gone after him.

And again, on day 2, after everyone else had voted for Taco Dan, you jump on the bandwagon.

And finally, on day 3, you and logismo had limited interaction. While slightly accusing each other, it was more of a friendly banter than actual scumhunting. You finally did go after him, but only after everyone else had leveled accusations, making you look more like town.

And especially your attack on Argembarger. You're voting for him because while he hasn't acted scummy, he hasn't really acted like town?

Dear scum, you have slipped up. It's time to end this.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Argembarger: {1}  NativeForeigner
NativeForeigner: {2}  Argembarger, inteuniso
inteuniso: {0} 

Not Voting:

Day 4 ends Wednesday, 12/15 at 11 PM EST.

[NativeForeigner]

Jesus, I play better town when I'm actually scum.

Inteuniso, that post of yours is quickly changing my mind. Unvote. Inteuniso.

I didnt really go after Logismo until his slip-up, it would have been stupid of me to not to. I admit, I've been a little lacking on my scumhunting this game, but that doesn't mean I would also have been stupid enough to have NOT win the game the last day by saving Logismo's ass rather than bussing him if I were scum. And because neither of you did so either, it's difficult to tell who's town out of you two.

Yes, I voted Argem because of his lack of towntells, and that's a pathetically weak argument to place against me. It's call process of elimination. I'm not scum, I didn't believe you to be scum, so that left Argem. But now you've given me reason to believe you're scum. I have the better argument against me, so while you can go after either one of us, you thinl it's a better idea to go against me with weak arguments so Argem doesn't catch on and convince me to vote for you.

Argem, if my last post defending myself didn't do it, what can I do to convince you I'm town? Or that Inteuniso is scum? We need to lynch the scum, and that ISN'T me.

[Argembarger]

Here you seem to be distancing yourself from Logismo. And, in the same sense of Ineuniso, you COULD have saved him but didn't for whatever reason. But it's the NKing of Kamina that got me. Sure, it could have been a rookie move by Ineuniso, but it seems more likely that you NKed him to put MY suspicion on Ineuniso.

Wait, what? Think about this for a second. Inteuniso and I both voted Logismo last night. Logismo flipped scum. If Inteuniso or I were scum, why in the hell wouldn't one of us just switch our vote, make it a tie, and force a scum win? If we were scum, there's absolutely no reason not to do that. It would be idiotic and dangerous to lynch Logismo to, what? Try to make ourselves look more like town? Again, why the hell would either one of us do that if the game could have just instantly been forced into a scumwin instead?

I know you thought about this;

Bringing your attention to the above, unless you're going to claim I'm bussing him, I'm poking holes in his argument and trying to bring attention back to him from Intuensio. If I was scum, I'd be trying to do the opposite and would have ended up siding with Kamina and using my vote to save Logismo and win the game for the scum. Which I DIDN'T do. It would have been an easy win for us and I'm actually surprised it didn't happen.

so don't ignore your own logic to attack me for the same reason.

It's just WIFOM. The whole thing. (P.S. Why didn't Logismo just save himself? Who cares, he was scum, let's be glad he didn't.)

And then you come out of the blue with this post directed almost entirely at me. Then you mention Inteuniso as an afterthought to avoid looking suspicious. Unfortunately, you also gave another towntell for him. The fact that he has been after Logismo this entire game, which would be tunneling if he were scum.

That leaves only you, Argem, as the remaining scum.

I came out of the blue with a post directed at you. Yes. Because this is 3-player LyLo with one scum left. Would it have made you feel better if I had just randomvoted?

I gave towntells for Inteuniso because I definitely believe he is town. And in the endgame, proving someone is town is just as important as proving someone is scum.

And then you parrot my reasons for Inteuniso being town in order to justify suspecting me?

Jesus, I play better town when I'm actually scum.

Inteuniso, that post of yours is quickly changing my mind. Unvote. Inteuniso.

KaminaSquirtle said it best.

The big man...  HASS the OMGUS.

I didnt really go after Logismo until his slip-up, it would have been stupid of me to not to. I admit, I've been a little lacking on my scumhunting this game, but that doesn't mean I would also have been stupid enough to have NOT win the game the last day by saving Logismo's ass rather than bussing him if I were scum. And because neither of you did so either, it's difficult to tell who's town out of you two.

Yes, I voted Argem because of his lack of towntells, and that's a pathetically weak argument to place against me. It's call process of elimination. I'm not scum, I didn't believe you to be scum, so that left Argem. But now you've given me reason to believe you're scum. I have the better argument against me, so while you can go after either one of us, you thinl it's a better idea to go against me with weak arguments so Argem doesn't catch on and convince me to vote for you.

Argem, if my last post defending myself didn't do it, what can I do to convince you I'm town? Or that Inteuniso is scum? We need to lynch the scum, and that ISN'T me.

Oh, I understand everything now; you aren't scum? Why didn't you just say so in the first place? Unvo- oh wait no that's silly NativeForeigner.

Argem, if my last post defending myself didn't do it, what can I do to convince you I'm town?

It usually helps to actually be town in the first place; and then, act like town. Those things help.

Unless someone has an epiphany that shakes the very foundation of what I know to be true in this game, I say we just End the Day and get this over with.