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Author Topic: Water to toxic blood (rant!)  (Read 4483 times)

Mortiss

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Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« on: November 14, 2010, 11:55:33 am »

This is really annoying! Every time a dwarf walks over a puddle of water, it spontaneously becomes a blood of killed creatures.
Since I have once killed a F. Beast whose blood causes unconsciousness/nausea, every time there is even tiniest patch of water on a walkway I get cancellation spam, disorganization and vomit everywhere!
Not a good thing in a fortress that contains lots of waterways/channels (mainly used for Goblin flushing)

The "dfcleanmap" can only go so far..... this really should be fixed ASAP.  :(

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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2010, 12:20:03 pm »

Fixed? It's a feature, and I quite like this one. I make shower areas to wash my dwarves of toxic fluids just for this reason.

Also there's a toggle-able option which stops your dwarves from dragging the blood around now (by default).
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2010, 12:29:14 pm »

Fixed? It's a feature, and I quite like this one. I make shower areas to wash my dwarves of toxic fluids just for this reason.

Also there's a toggle-able option which stops your dwarves from dragging the blood around now (by default).

I sincerely hope you are joking. :)
How can this be a feature.
1. You flush a corridor and leave few puddles of water
2. A (reasonably) clean dwarf walks past. The water suddenly becomes tainted with blood of monsters killed 5 years ago.
3. All other dwarves walk in this mess and become sick and puking.

How is that logically possible? I know its a fantasy world etc. but saying "The evil wizard did it." just doesn't cut if for me.

I am not worried about the spreading - that is indeed off by default.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2010, 12:34:08 pm »

I remember that firstish fort in 31 was funny because all creatures except dwarves (they had shoes) had warts on they paws/feets :D Cave blobs caused it. I think a reasonable solution would be either make some running water system to wash it away OR it should be fixed by ordering e.g. clean this area OR maybe some sort of drying?

Edit: drying as in: dried blood does not return into normal blood when exposed to water. It just washes away.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2010, 12:45:55 pm by darius »
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2010, 12:42:10 pm »

The water didn't spontaneously become blood; there was blood dried onto the boots of the working dwarves, and the water washed it off, allowing it to get onto exposed flesh.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2010, 12:46:15 pm »

Yea, you just need a freshwater shower system complete with a airlock to prevent unsanitary dwarves from tracking blood into the fortress.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2010, 01:12:19 pm »

The water didn't spontaneously become blood; there was blood dried onto the boots of the working dwarves, and the water washed it off, allowing it to get onto exposed flesh.

Ok, than I am just feeling silly.  :-\ I have never noticed this (dried blood on the shoe) in the inventory of an individual dwarf.
Still kinda hard to believe - a beast killed more than 5 year ago and its blood still there even after so many walk through water/puking events.

Yea, you just need a freshwater shower system complete with a airlock to prevent unsanitary dwarves from tracking blood into the fortress.
You refer to a waterfall flowing through a walking area complete with a drain?
I assume then that a channel of low level flowing water across the main street also work ?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2010, 01:14:04 pm by Mortiss »
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 12:26:09 am »

Fixed? It's a feature, and I quite like this one. I make shower areas to wash my dwarves of toxic fluids just for this reason.

Also there's a toggle-able option which stops your dwarves from dragging the blood around now (by default).

It's a feature, but a really broken one.

It would be one thing if blood got smeared around and eventually was diluted to the point where it vanished. Then I'd say sure, feature, be careful of the forgotten beast ooze.

However, blood just tracks forever and instead of being diluted it actually just gets bigger. Water, instead of instantly diluting it, seems to massively multiply it and spread it all over the place.

And just to make things that much more insulting there's no good way to actually get your dwarves to break out the mop and bucket and clean that crap up. Alot of the time they won't even rinse it off themselves (till they step in a puddle and start it spreading again).

But you're right, there's an option now and it does help quite alot. It's still broken though and makes no sense either from a gameplay or realism standpoint.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 08:24:24 am »

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However, blood just tracks forever
It's not because there's an init option for this until it's fixed now.

I consider it a minor issue right now, but it was a major one when all your halls were COVERED with blood. I don't say it's not a broken feature, it's just a cool thing that needs tweaking.

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I have never noticed this (dried blood on the shoe) in the inventory of an individual dwarf.
I think various covering are not shown in the inventory in Fortress mode (to avoid cluttered interface).
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 08:41:07 am »

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However, blood just tracks forever
It's not because there's an init option for this until it's fixed now.
What init option and when was it fixed? I'm on .12 and blood spread around like some sentient vengeful grass
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 12:59:57 pm »

What init option and when was it fixed? I'm on .12 and blood spread around like some sentient vengeful grass

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As for the init option...

Try

[WALKING_SPREADS_SPATTER_DWF:NO]
[WALKING_SPREADS_SPATTER_ADV:YES]

in d_init.txt
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 01:06:54 pm »

The "walking spreads" is really only a fraction of the problem.

To really solve it you need to spam dfcleanmap the moment one of your dwarves gets washed off.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2011, 08:33:07 pm »

This just recently happened to me. It killed half of my dwarves and ruined my fortress. Now whenever i generate a world i turn savagery to max and beasts to min.
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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2011, 11:59:16 pm »

This just recently happened to me. It killed half of my dwarves and ruined my fortress. Now whenever i generate a world i turn savagery to max and beasts to min.

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Re: Water to toxic blood (rant!)
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2011, 12:08:11 am »

Looks like someone's been brushing up on their necromancy. ;)
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