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[x2yzh9]

I'm a firm believer in Socialism. Currently I have a book about it(and Communism) ordered to further understand it, but from my understanding as it is currently-The majority of America just think about it as, "Damn Commies!!!" and many associate Socialism=Bad. I do not think this is the case with how it should be.

On Socialism Economically: Many would say it would hurt the economy, but I believe it would do quite the opposite. With the government controlling the means of production, everything would fall in place as they would want it. There would be no outside force to upset or collapse it. On the other hand, there would be no outside force to boost it; no companies to invest in. Just the government. Nonetheless, I think socialism is a better alternative.

On Socialism Morally: See 'On Communism Morally'

On Communism Economically: Now, unlike Socialism, this is the polar opposite of Capitalism. Everything is controlled by the state, and the state is the people. Therefore the people control the state, and the property. Everyone works to contribute to society and the nation, not to further themselves individually, but doing it so they could all advance collectively. Imagine this: Capitalism. You are raised in a rich family, and inherit or assume a high-ranking, high paying position or receive great education, thus you live to have a massive net wealth. The couple across the street, however, were raised by poor parents and could not receive a great education or inherit great wealth or high-ranking position. As a by-product of a meager education, they do not get a great job. They could work twice as hard at the wealthy couple and never achieve their wealth. In communism, this is not the case. Either both people are wealthy, or both are poor. Everyone is equal in communism, which is why it works so well on small scales. Take DF, for instance. Why does everyone turn off economy? Most of the time it is due to a bad framework, but also because inevitably the economy fails or the lower working class cannot afford the smallest of housing. Then there are homeless. Communism works well on a small scale mostly because everyone takes everything.

On Communism Morally:I often find that anything less than Capitalism is viewed as horrible and in a violation of human rights in the Western World. No, no, no. It is everything coming together to benefit everyone, not just one person. It is for the good of everyone, for the society. Please give me any moral problems with Communism and I can tell you how it is better than Capitalism.

[PenguinOverlord]

Communism is flawed. It's a concept of a Utopian society, but it's impossible to run said Utopian society.

[ToonyMan]

Go back to Antarctica!

[x2yzh9]

Communism is flawed. It's a concept of a Utopian society, but it's impossible to run said Utopian society.

Indeed it is, but isn't Capitalism? The concept behind Capitalism is you work hard for your entire life, you retire to life. I see familys where the opposite is true. My best friend both have parents that work very hard and did not have great opportunities at education. They have been together for 2 decades, and they live in(for lack of a better word, not meaning to insult them) not-so-nice house. My family works no where near as hard as them and we live in a very, very nice house.

[Realmfighter]

Communism is flawed. It's a concept of a Utopian society, but it's impossible to run said Utopian society.

What if your idea of utopia is what we have now?

It would work?

[ToonyMan]

Communism is flawed. It's a concept of a Utopian society, but it's impossible to run said Utopian society.

Indeed it is, but isn't Capitalism? The concept behind Capitalism is you work hard for your entire life, you retire to life. I see familys where the opposite is true. My best friend both have parents that work very hard and did not have great opportunities at education. They have been together for 2 decades, and they live in(for lack of a better word, not meaning to insult them) not-so-nice house. My family works no where near as hard as them and we live in a very, very nice house.

Why don't you swap houses.

[V-Norrec]

... This is the most wrong thing I have read all day.  If I thought you had any hope I'd debate this, but you're too far gone.  If you want to control people, their money, their time, their energy, their production, their lives, then Socialism/Communism is for you.  If you love freedom, you are terribly terribly misguided, and utterly wrong.

[ToonyMan]

I didn't even read the OP (after the first sentence) because I heard this all last year from a sophomore in shop.

[x2yzh9]

Don't get me wrong, I love freedom. I wouldn't have it any other way, but that is why I put it in two sections, Economically and Morally. Look at Russia-They absolutely loved communism, and rioted against it when the change to Democracy was taking place.

[Zrk2]

I'm a firm believer in Socialism. Currently I have a book about it(and Communism) ordered to further understand it, but from my understanding as it is currently-The majority of America just think about it as, "Damn Commies!!!" and many associate Socialism=Bad. I do not think this is the case with how it should be.

On Socialism Economically: Many would say it would hurt the economy, but I believe it would do quite the opposite. With the government controlling the means of production, everything would fall in place as they would want it. There would be no outside force to upset or collapse it. On the other hand, there would be no outside force to boost it; no companies to invest in. Just the government. Nonetheless, I think socialism is a better alternative.

On Socialism Morally: See 'On Communism Morally'

On Communism Economically: Now, unlike Socialism, this is the polar opposite of Capitalism. Everything is controlled by the state, and the state is the people. Therefore the people control the state, and the property. Everyone works to contribute to society and the nation, not to further themselves individually, but doing it so they could all advance collectively. Imagine this: Capitalism. You are raised in a rich family, and inherit or assume a high-ranking, high paying position or receive great education, thus you live to have a massive net wealth. The couple across the street, however, were raised by poor parents and could not receive a great education or inherit great wealth or high-ranking position. As a by-product of a meager education, they do not get a great job. They could work twice as hard at the wealthy couple and never achieve their wealth. In communism, this is not the case. Either both people are wealthy, or both are poor. Everyone is equal in communism, which is why it works so well on small scales. Take DF, for instance. Why does everyone turn off economy? Most of the time it is due to a bad framework, but also because inevitably the economy fails or the lower working class cannot afford the smallest of housing. Then there are homeless. Communism works well on a small scale mostly because everyone takes everything.

On Communism Morally:I often find that anything less than Capitalism is viewed as horrible and in a violation of human rights in the Western World. No, no, no. It is everything coming together to benefit everyone, not just one person. It is for the good of everyone, for the society. Please give me any moral problems with Communism and I can tell you how it is better than Capitalism.

On socialism economically: Socialism promotes forcing those who have attended college and learned how to be contributing members of society to support those who simply don't work. See "On Communism Morally"

On communism Economically: Doomed to failure. No system which punishes the able in order to enrich the inable can ever succeed if the able do not want to be shackled to the less productive. Communism leads to laziness as, regardless of effort, everyone still recieves the same number of food tickets. (As communism would see everyone fed that way, clothed with tickets, housed with tickets...) This means as everyone would work less because they don't have to work to get paid the economy would collapse due to the lack of productive labour. (See USSR, North Korea, Maoist China) Also all the creative minds would flee because they would not be albe to research as they would be told to go work in some factory "for the good of the people" and their protests to the opposite. Make no mistake, communism is tyranny, it advocates forcing everyone to do what some beauraucrat tells them to do, without leaving them any court of appeal, as they would simply be told it is "for the greater good"

On Communism Morally: Despicable. Violates your right to spend your time as you wish. Enslaves everyone to "the greater good" something which is ultimately indescribable, and so can be used to justify any horrible act those in power dream up. Then there is the fact that communism inevitably has to be backed up by some sort of gestapo as it fails in the face of sustained public discourse as they watch their quality of living go to shit around their ears. This leads to concentration camps and starving 20 million Ukrainians to death.

Now, contrary to what you may think after that I am not fascist. I am Libertarian. All the above would be true of fascism if you replaces "the people" with "the state" and "20 million Ukrainians" with "11 million jews, slavs, gypsies, gay, plotical prisoners (Oh wait, communists killed masses of political prisoners too)"

[Realmfighter]

Everyones a dick to everyone else.

Oh crap.

[PenguinOverlord]

Go back to Antarctica!

No! We go back to Antarctica, and the next thing you know we are forced back underground! No, I say! Onward! Onward to the surface, workers of the world!

[Realmfighter]

I would service that mustache.

[inteuniso]

I like socialism and communism on paper. I would love to found a small communist enclave, with everyone being equal.

Unfortunately, communism does not work on a national level. People tend to love power, and once one person gets that power, he/she generally tries to hold on to it as long as possible.

Socialism works for only so long. How do you motivate people to work at minimum wage jobs in a recession, when they get better benefits just by sitting on their asses watching TV? How do you justify someone, who might spend 8 years getting an advanced degree,  having to pay over half his income which will be given to people who don't need it.

Yes, Capitalism is a selfish, greedy, and if left unchecked, horrendously damaging system. But it's the one that's been shown to work for the modern world. That's why I believe in Capitalism and Meritocracies, because even if they are the worst option, they're the only option that works.

[Bauglir]

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