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[Realmfighter]

So your saying that post scarcity would also remove all imagined things too?

[nbonaparte]

Power perhaps. but I think material things leaving the equation would help a lot.

[Realmfighter]

But we would still be bullshit

we are not talking about the severity of the bullshit, but the existence of bullshit

[nbonaparte]

And you would give up the lessening of the bullshit because it doesn't remove the bullshit entirely?

[Realmfighter]

No, but I Would stop debating about possible method to lesson bullshit that are unfeasible with the current technology, culture and people we are.

[nbonaparte]

I think a nanotechnology aided post-scarcity environment is possible in the next half century. But alright. I don't want another singularity debate thread.

[PenguinOverlord]

somebody lock this thread before somebody publishes a manifesto

[nbonaparte]

you're 152 years late. Marx looked like a dwarf, he could've been here...

[PenguinOverlord]

Yeah, but that manifesto is mostly blown over. We don't want a repeat of 1848, now do we?

[Realmfighter]

I shall publish the "Not giving a shit" manifesto.

Actually here it is.

I pledge to not give a shit in anyt

[SalmonGod]

I think all our problems come from the concept of property (as opposed to possession).

Possession:  Something you directly depend on for your well-being, such as your home, the food in your fridge, things of sentimental value, etc.

Property: Anything a person claims control of that isn't directly related to their personal well-being, such as food on a shelf that is owned by a company that is owned by a group of people who will never ever have any personal interaction with that item.

Think about the context of daily operation in modern society from the perspective of an indigenous person, and it's easily exposed as naked violence.  People that you almost certainly don't know claim control over things they have no personal relation to and demand servitude in return for those things no matter how much you may need them even to survive.  If you object they have an army of enforcers who will lock you in a cage or physically harm you.

Of course I understand how we got here and it is and isn't as evil as I make it out to be.  The development of sedentary lifestyles, centralization of resources, etc is responsible for humanity developing all the impressive capabilities it has today.  As much unfathomable suffering this has generated over the last 10,000 years or so, these ways of life have brought humanity within close reach of its ultimate potential.

But I think the time has come to abandon these ways of life.  We will never reach our potential unless we do, and I think we have a certain window of time in which to do this before we destroy everything humanity depends on to maintain all the advances we have sacrificed for.

We now have tons of history to look back on and incredible means of mass communication to process what we know and organize in ways that were never possible before and render centralization of resources and authority completely obsolete.  Scarcity of life-essentials is completely artificial these days.  Complex economics systems, as much evil as they generated, were necessary in the past because scarcity was real.  We didn't have the means to produce for everybody.  Today we do, but we cling stubbornly to our old ideas about economics and still believe in scarcity because the corrupt in power distract us with good cop/bad cop routines and intentionally waste most of what we have for no other reason but to keep us fighting each other for what they're willing to spare.

[Realmfighter]

What is our "Potential"?

We are all going to die in the end anyway, so why should we strain ourselves now?

[SalmonGod]

We are all going to die in the end anyway, so why should we strain ourselves now?

If this is your attitude, you should hate authority even more than I do.  The thing they rob you most of is your time.  Your life.  Possibly the only one you have.  And this is after you agree to their terms of basic survival which require you to strain yourself for their benefit.

I don't even need to delve into abstract and subjective definitions of human potential.

[Realmfighter]

Eh, working for a living is easier then working for a living while also being a revolutionary.

What should I do? Move to the woods and grow potatoes?

[Aqizzar]

I think all our problems come from the concept of property (as opposed to possession).

Cool story bro, but you kinda lost me after that line.  I like owning things, they are mine.  I enjoy the visceral feeling of power I have over my furniture and groceries and stuff.  Problem is, since I wasn't born rich, in the 21st century I still have to go to work and get money to buy them at stores from other people.  It's a vicious circle and I don't know how to escape it.  Being a hobo is pretty attractive though, they're like real life RPG adventurers.