You didn't think he had any way of knowing who the scum are? That makes no sense at all, of course he has an opinion of who the scum are. Speaking of which, Nirur, I'd like to hear who you think is scum right now.
I suppose I answered this wrong. Yes, he'll have suspicions, but he can't very well reveal them without going into some detail on the list. Revealing which school he suspects is scum doesn't require revealing the list, or even using the list.
I note that after claiming "asking about the list" is "dangerously close to role fishing," you are now asking him who he thinks is scum. Which is either a pathetic and overdue attempt at normal scumhunting, or requesting information about the list.
What? Are you trying to say that ANY question aimed at Nirur is asking about the list? That's stupid, Nirur is MORE than capable of saying "I think Player X and Y are scum" and explaining why without resorting to the list. And if the list did confirm some player as scum (Protip: It can't today), Nirur would claim that and save us all the trouble. And if Nirur could know which color was the scum color (Protip: He can't 100% for sure), he would claim that as well. So he's logically either scum or not 100% sure on both fronts.
I actually have to disagree with you. Saying who's scum is very easy to explain with only information in the thread. Saying which color is scum is much more difficult. What say you to that?
You only just now answered my question of why you asked which color is scum over who is scum. Your original post simply defended asking about the scum color without explaining why asking that's superior to asking who's scum. So I asked why you asked your question to get an actual answer out of you.
Fair enough. This doesn't explain why you consider which school is the scum school to be both irrelevant and unknowable, however.
I've already explained this. Feel free to drink the wine, but don't drag anybody else down this road.
You asked a question that can only be answered with information gathered from the list of who assisted who. That's fishing for information in my book. So you asked the scum colors because you wanted to get a read on him. Alright, what kind of read did you get off him?
No, I did not. I asked a question that can be answered much more definitively and usefully with that information, but it doesn't require it.
But furthermore, what information would I be fishing for exactly, and why would that be problematic/scummy? Is asking him which school is scum going to tell me who the town sorcerer is somehow?
But wait, it gets better! You not only asked me why I didn't just ask who he thought is scum, you asked the same question yourself. So either figuring out the scum school requires the list, but figuring out scum doesn't and you just happened to ask the guy with the list, or you're information fishing by your own standards.
So what would of been a scummy response from Nirur?
I'm trying to figure out what information, if any, you were trying to learn. That's why I'm still talking to you. The most obvious would be that the scum sorcerer is likely to be rolefishing for the town sorcerer.
It doesn't take referencing the list of assists to scumhunt. It is possible to scumhunt and attack without using the list if there's something to attack with outside the list. It's actually quite simple if you weren't blindly attacking me for shit that's not actually threatening. Seriously, did you just attack me for asking Nirur Torir who he thinks the scum are?
So why are you voting me? I don't see any reasoning.
LurkingUselessness. You're not doing and haven't been doing shit. You're very careful to stress the difference between active lurking and lurking, and quibble over the exact definition of either, but I really don't give a damn. The point is, you're not scum hunting, and whether you want to call that lurking, active lurking, being useless, or playing the green flute, the fact remains that you were really only impressive when in serious danger of being lynched. The rest of the time, you're either not posting or posting passive-as-shit declarations and observations. You've probably spent more time telling people they should scumhunt and ignore schools than you have actually scumhunting.
The reason I "quibble" over the differences between active lurking and lurking is so that when somebody makes an accusation, I know exactly what they're talking about. There's a difference between lurking and active lurking wether you pretend there isn't or not. Course that's irrelevant to the actual meat of your attack, but it's very obvious you're going into the attack annoyed, probably because you perceive me as wasting your time. Which is stupid because the differences are actually quite simple but very important.
Despite what you say, I am in fact scumhunting. I prefer to scumhunt in a reactive manner by analyzing posts. I'm not so good with throwing questions at people. Doesn't mean I'm not doing anything, there just isn't a whole lot to analyze. I posted more earlier because there was a lot of content to talk about. There's much less now, so I'm not posting as much. If you have anything you want to ask, I'd LOVE for you to bring it up.
I just said that the only player I thought was scum roleflipped as town, so I have to scumhunt. Which obviously means I have no vote or arguments against anyone. If I did, I wouldn't be scumhunting, I'd be voting to lynch.
Truth be told, I haven't noticed much for the entirety of the game to attack anyone for. Probably I'm just not that good... and possibly I've been focusing on Jim too much. I did read every post, but probably not as well as I could of. I would reread, but frankly that's a lot of work I don't feel like doing. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to get a lynch target. I believe there's another day or two of discussion, plus extension if we (I) need them.
Case in point. You say you haven't noticed anything, which justifies not having any suspicions. You certainly can't go find scum, you've got to wait for them to reveal themselves and fall into your lap.
And you say there's plenty of time left in the day, but I consider that absolutely fucking irrelevant, because I see no reason to believe you'll be any more efficient later in the day than you are now. Have you been making progress so far? Are you closer to figuring out whether someone's scum? Or are you just hoping someone else will make something happen so you can bandwagon your not-scumbuddy?
Yeah, actually, that's exactly what I do. It's worked well enough in the past, although I understand that sometimes activity can die out if nobody's doing anything. On the other hand, I do great when there's lots of other discussion and/or some discussion aimed at me.
So you're saying that I'm scum for not having any suspicions despite there being plenty of day to get them? That's ridiculous. If we get to the end of the day and I'm still lacking suspicions and not calling for an extension, then something's wrong and you've got a case. For now, you're trying to say I'm scum for not doing something when there's still time to do it.
I'm going to go ahead and call for an
extension now, actually. I really don't think it's fair to end the day in the middle of Thanksgiving. I also need more time to figure out who's scum.
Okay, so stop talking about it just to seed doubt on green being town-aligned.
All I'm going to say is that the green sorcerer may or may not be scum. I've said WAY too much about this already. If you accept that the green sorcerer may or may not be scum, great. If not, whatever, nothing's going to convince you because you're an idiot. Or you're biased, but either way I'm wasting my time.
I just said that the only player I thought was scum roleflipped as town, so I have to scumhunt. Which obviously means I have no vote or arguments against anyone. If I did, I wouldn't be scumhunting, I'd be voting to lynch.
Truth be told, I haven't noticed much for the entirety of the game to attack anyone for. Probably I'm just not that good... and possibly I've been focusing on Jim too much. I did read every post, but probably not as well as I could of. I would reread, but frankly that's a lot of work I don't feel like doing. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to get a lynch target. I believe there's another day or two of discussion, plus extension if we (I) need them.
You're completely clueless over who the scum is? How very unlike you, unless you're just completely dazed by so many votes against you and your scum partner.
I didn't have a scumpick at the start of Day 2, and there hasn't been anything suspicious so far.
I only vote people when I'm sure they're scum. I don't have any solid scumpicks, so I'm not voting. At the moment my best guess is Kamina, but that's only because I asked a question that went unanswered.
So scumhunt more, defend blue less.
You make it sound like I can't do both at the same time.
Person: That was an awfully weak post out of you. Most of what you do is merely respond to questions posed to you- the rest of what you do is try to quell discussion on which school is scum and a weak prod on Kamina, which really comes out in a reply to him. You say...
Truth be told, I haven't noticed much for the entirety of the game to attack anyone for. Probably I'm just not that good... and possibly I've been focusing on Jim too much. I did read every post, but probably not as well as I could of. I would reread, but frankly that's a lot of work I don't feel like doing. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to get a lynch target. I believe there's another day or two of discussion, plus extension if we (I) need them.
It's fine if you have no firm suspicions... but you don't do anything to try to get some. You don't really question, you don't press anyone, you just respond to what's coming at you. This reactive game of yours is raising you up on my scum list.
Why aren't you pressing people?
Well, considering that nearly every post in Day 2 is aimed at me, yeah, all my time is going to be spent defending from them. If there were posts not aimed at me, I'd analyze them too.
I'm not pressing anyone because there's nothing to press with. If I had something to press somebody with, I'd be pushing to lynch.
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