Let me ask all you "green sorcerer=town" guys a few hypothetical questions (that means don't answer them, just think about it). Do you honestly think that if the green sorcerer was scum, he'd be stupid enough to only give himself and his scumbuddy his double votes? Do you see any potential scum pairings in the list of double voters? What if the green sorcerer isn't in control of who gets double votes? What if the green sorcerer is townie, do you see any reasoning for the list of people who got double votes?
What do you think about the fact the blue sorcerer only got 1 assist? What do you think the blue sorcerer's spells are? What if his spells aren't confirmable?
These are all questions that come off the top of my head. There's too many unknowns for me to draw useful conclusions from the list of who the green sorcerer gave double votes to. If all those players turn out to be apprentices or the green sorcerer didn't assist himself or green gets 3 assists and the scum don't give themselves more votes than the rest of the town combined (7p or 6p night) or there was something else confirmable, then yeah, there'd be a case for the green sorcerer being verifiable town. As it is, it's all speculation. Any time spent speculating about roles is better spent scumhunting until we know more.
Why not actually ask him who the scum are? Besides role information, I fail to see any useful way to deduce which school is the scum school. And in any case, what does it matter? If we definitively confirm which school contains the scum sorcerer, it's not like the scum sorcerer's going to come forward and reveal himself.
What does it matter whether we give scum a powerful spell tonight? Really?
In any case, he doesn't need an ironclad answer to have an answer.
None of that answers my original question. Why didn't you actually ask him who the scum are? And in any case, if he knew for sure that one school was scum, he'd claim it. Asking him about the list is dangerously close to rolefishing in my book.
I didn't ask him who the individual scum were because I didn't think he had any way to know, and I thought it was less useful getting a read on him.
As I just said, he doesn't have to know for sure to have an answer. Why did you say I didn't answer your question, then ask it again?
I never asked him about the list, Mr.Person. You're paying awfully loose attention to this game.
You didn't think he had any way of knowing who the scum are? That makes no sense at all, of course he has an opinion of who the scum are. Speaking of which, Nirur, I'd like to hear who you think is scum right now.
You only just now answered my question of why you asked which color is scum over who is scum. Your original post simply defended asking about the scum color without explaining why asking that's superior to asking who's scum. So I asked why you asked your question to get an actual answer out of you.
You asked a question that can only be answered with information gathered from the list of who assisted who. That's fishing for information in my book. So you asked the scum colors because you wanted to get a read on him. Alright, what kind of read did you get off him?
So why are you voting me? I don't see any reasoning.
No, it didn't. I was sure Jim was scum. I based everything off of that bit of information. I had a bit of an inkling Jim was a sorcerer, but that just made me want to lynch him all the more.
This is scummy as hell. "Gee guys, I was just so certain Jim was scum, I just can't do anything at all now! Back to square one! I mean, not scumhunting square one, lurking square one because I'm not being voted anymore."
At what time did I say or imply that I was going to stop scumhunting? You're grossly misrepresenting what I'm saying.
You call this scumhunting? You've got no vote, no suspicions, no arguments. You're telling Nirur he's wrong and daring Kamina to make up his mind, and that's the sum of your hunting thus far.
Maybe if we start to lynch you you'll jump into action again, hmmm?
I just said that the only player I thought was scum roleflipped as town, so I have to scumhunt. Which obviously means I have no vote or arguments against anyone. If I did, I wouldn't be scumhunting, I'd be voting to lynch.
Truth be told, I haven't noticed much for the entirety of the game to attack anyone for. Probably I'm just not that good... and possibly I've been focusing on Jim too much. I did read every post, but probably not as well as I could of. I would reread, but frankly that's a lot of work I don't feel like doing. There's still plenty of time left in the day for me to get a lynch target. I believe there's another day or two of discussion, plus extension if we (I) need them.
What points? There are no points. So far the only point I've seen is "anybody who helps the town can't be scum!", which is so wrong it's not even funny.
Afraid to vote, I see. Why might that be? If I'm so scummy, why not vote me? If Jetsquirrel is so much scummier, why not vote him?
More like 'anybody who helps town has a better chance of being town than scum.'
The question we need to ask is: Why are you so defensive of blue? Why are you reacting so violently to anyone attacking your precious blue school?
At least I have suspicions, you hypocrite. You're not voting anyone either. You're too defensive. I wasn't sure about either of you before this post, but now I think we can say you're scum, Mr. Person. Good job making up my mind.
All I'm saying is that either the blue or green sorcerer could be scum. Everything's still on the table, nothing's been confirmed yet.
I could turn this around and ask why you're so defensive of the green sorcerer, but I won't since that'd be a waste of time. What the sorcerers did/do is irrelevant. It's far more important who the actual sorcerers ARE and what they've done during the day. I operate under the assumption that night actions are only relevant if they clear a townie or catch scum. That's just how I operate. If you really, really want to drink wine, I'm not going to stop you, but I've really got to recommend against it.
Good job avoiding answering my question. Why didn't you vote for me or Jetsquirrel before? And why are you voting for me now, anyways? Because I'm not voting? I'm not voting anyone because I've still got no suspicions worth voting for.
That point is an attempt to invalidate my own point and make me question myself, not an attempt to find scum. Why?
Your main point is wrong. The green sorcerer may or may not be scum. I'm not saying the green sorcerer is guaranteed scum or anything, but it does seem way too early to be saying he's guaranteed town.
Person: I missed your unvote. Let me rephrase (again):
You're pretty heavy on Nirur and Kamina that last post, but you don't vote either of them. Why? Who do you think is the scum here?
I only vote people when I'm sure they're scum. I don't have any solid scumpicks, so I'm not voting. At the moment my best guess is Kamina, but that's only because I asked a question that went unanswered.