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[Arx]

Chloranthy ring. Carthus Blood ring. Green blossom. Spam rolls. Become unstoppable.

[SOLDIER First]

i want at least some dignity left, arx

[Arx]

i want at least some dignity left, arx

Thaaat's going in the sig.

[SOLDIER First]

>:0

[SeriousConcentrate]

By the way, the most recent patch dropped the time the Seed is in effect from 90 minutes to about 45 seconds, and also put a cooldown on summons so hosts can't just sit at the bonfire and essentially wait out an invasion. My brother (an invader, primarily Aldrich Faithful) loves it.

[SOLDIER First]

Is that what that update was just now? I'm so grateful.

[Greiger]

Friend of mine hates it, claims FROM is actively trying to ruin their game experience by encouraging invaders to only attack with help from stuff like ring knights.  Claiming that an invader that knows where to sit and wait literally and in every sense of the word makes the game impossible.   A giant seed would prevent them from doing that.  Now all they need to do is take cover for a minute and then just go right back to camping, instead of forcing the invader to fight them.  He claims that he is boycotting the game until FROM corrects this.

I admit I see where he's coming from.  But as an invader myself I see the invader side of it as well.  How fair is it for me as a Farron to finally get a rare as hell invasion only to be faced with the host and 3 phantoms?  How is that any different?

EDIT: Personally I'd be happy with an invasion timer based on how many allied phantoms the host has.  Host alone? Invader has 3 minutes to kill him. Host and 1 phantom? 10 minutes. Host and 2 phantoms? No time limit.

[SOLDIER First]

Wow, let's see. Invaders have half their normal Estus, have non-Embered health, and are almost always going to face a host and a phantom at the same time. More likely than not it's more than one.

And the poor, poor hosts just trying to enjoy their game have all their Estus, have the health increase from Embering, are very likely to be invaded while they have at least one summon, and they're completely able to snag another one when an invader shows up, and they can just wait until the invader is near the Giant Tough Mob #6 of the area to pop a seed. Bam, invasion over.

Your friend is right, this update is so unfair.

_{to clarify i'm rolling my eyes at him not you}

[Greiger]

In my own personal experience 2 ring knights and a invader more than make up for having full estus.  Theres also that you have to be invaded what, 3 or 4 times to get one giant seed?  I'll quite often get the same asshole twice in a row and not have another giant seed for the second time he parks his ass on that damn chapel at the end of the swamp. (or any of the abundance of similar chokepoints in other areas)  What are you expected to do get gud to kill 2 ring knights and an invader at the same time?   I bet you couldn't.

EDIT: Even with a giant seed you aren't killing all three of the ring knights at that chapel in 45 seconds.  And they don't even need to wait that long, even with a seed, YOU have threat, not the invader.  They won't attack the invader unless they are stupid and hit them.

[Draignean]

Personally, I'm somewhat disappointed that they nerfed giant seed, and that's speaking as an invader. You've got to be quick to see that icon pop up, but it's a hell of a drug to turn it back on the host.

Summon cooldowns make me a little happy. Dear lord there have been a lot of times where I've fought through phantoms just to be faced with YET MORE GODDAMN PHANTOMS. Look, I enjoy killing people, but there is a limit to the number I can go through if the host decides to rabbit.

Most invaders, from my experience, don't do a lot of waiting. We're opportunistic, but we've also get a full schedule of people to kill today. One tongue isn't worth waiting when I can try and kill you in a straight fight.

Bah. I've said my two-bits and more already. The update didn't matter nearly as much to me as the blessed ringed knight UGS nerf. Running into a gank squad where literally everyone has it equipped was a bit... off-putting.


My last death was actually caused by a mixture of Dark Souls and Gungeon.

Fish can roll.

Fish cannot dodge roll and does NOT gain any i-frames.

(Nuclear Throne)

In my own personal experience 2 ring knights and a invader more than make up for having full estus.  Theres also that you have to be invaded what, 3 or 4 times to get one giant seed?  I'll quite often get the same asshole twice in a row and not have another giant seed for the second time he parks his ass on that damn chapel at the end of the swamp. (or any of the abundance of similar chokepoints in other areas)  What are you expected to do get gud to kill 2 ring knights and an invader at the same time?   I bet you couldn't.

EDIT: Even with a giant seed you aren't killing all three of the ring knights at that chapel in 45 seconds.  And they don't even need to wait that long, even with a seed, YOU have threat, not the invader.  They won't attack the invader unless they are stupid and hit them.

Wait, Ringed Knights or Harald Legionnaires?

[Greiger]

Whatever the name of those guys with the circles on their chest are, with the flaming swords, spears and dragon shields.

[Draignean]

Yeah, those are the ringed knights, I'm just no longer sure what area you're talking about. Not really important to the conversation, I'm just mildly confused.

Edit: Ah, right, in the swamp area, so you can progress to death bridge.

[Greiger]

Spoiler: off topic dark souls stuff. (click to show/hide)

 I'm talking about the ringed city swamp.  In particular the sunken building you have to climb onto the roof of to make forward progress towards spear of the church (and I assume midir) before you've opened the shortcuts right after the archer summoning giant in the swamp.  And the 3 ringed nights on that building, two of which will pull together unless you have a bow to lull one out early, 3 of which will pull if it's yer first time there and don't know there's a third just on the other side and will happily run around to join the fight if it sees ya.

It looks to me like the roof of some kind of chapel, but I can't be sure.

[Draignean]

Spoiler: off topic dark souls stuff. (click to show/hide)

 I'm talking about the ringed city swamp.  In particular the sunken building you have to climb onto the roof of to make forward progress towards spear of the church (and I assume midir) before you've opened the shortcuts.  And the 3 ringed nights on that building, two of which will pull together unless you have a bow to lull one out early, 3 of which will pull if it's yer first time there and don't know there's a third just on the other side and will happily run around to join the fight if it sees ya.

It looks to me like the roof of some kind of chapel, but I can't be sure.

Spoiler: More Off Topic Stuff (click to show/hide)

Indeed, I recalled the area you were talking about a little late. I was thinking you were talking about Shira's little chapel, with the three Harald Legionnaires right outside.

Yeah. That place can be fun. Firebombs are useful.

[Eric Blank]

I cannot seem to find my save file for dragons dogma, but I need to uninstall and reinstall steam. This is complicated by the fact that for the last few months I've had steam running in compatibility mode with windows 8, due to an attempt to see if I could get skyrim to run (it failed) and have not been able to sync my game files to the cloud because of this or get steam to stop running in compatibility mode. I suppose I will have to start anew, so long stacks of sweet loot and massively overlevelled character.