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Author Topic: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom  (Read 12312 times)

Leafsnail

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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #210 on: November 13, 2010, 10:32:40 pm »

I'm this.

There is nothing in there about not caring about what people think, just a belief that there in no evidence either way.
You run into a problem though.

If someone has a view that it's worthwhile to argue about religion, or that god can be proved to or not to exist... well, isn't there no evidence either way for that, too?
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #211 on: November 13, 2010, 10:34:02 pm »

What
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #212 on: November 13, 2010, 10:34:56 pm »

that's when you punch each other in the face in slow motion and knock each other out simultaneously.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #213 on: November 13, 2010, 10:38:01 pm »

Excuse me. I find that offensive as I am a Matrix Atheist.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #214 on: November 13, 2010, 10:38:39 pm »

Well, lemme try and break it down.

Indifferentism stems from the premise that "no evidence either way = doesn't matter = you shouldn't care".

However, indifferentism is, itself, a belief.  If you were to take it against a belief that there can be evidence for or against a god, you'd end up with... no evidence either way.  So you shouldn't really care about that, either...
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #215 on: November 13, 2010, 10:42:09 pm »

So wait. You're saying you could take the position "there's no evidence either way that there can be no evidence proving or disproving god. So it doesn't matter whether you think there can be evidence. So you shouldn't care about evidence."

That is... confusing.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #216 on: November 13, 2010, 10:42:39 pm »

Are you saying that is fruitless to get into a debate abou- wait shit I think I got it.

Your saying that if you were to get into a debate about weather or not there is no evidence into there being a god, there would be no evidence for there being evidence or not?

I think I lost it again.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #217 on: November 13, 2010, 10:43:08 pm »

Your saying that if you were to get into a debate about weather or not there is no evidence into there being a god, there would be no evidence for there being evidence or not?
Precisely.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #218 on: November 13, 2010, 10:43:24 pm »

it's the planepacked of religious discussion
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #219 on: November 13, 2010, 10:44:22 pm »

I am indifferent about indifference about evidence for or against god!
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #220 on: November 13, 2010, 10:45:47 pm »

Well, I'm of to headbutt the fall for a few hours.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #221 on: November 13, 2010, 10:45:59 pm »

it's the planepacked of religious discussion
Yeah, because he could then claim that, actually, there is evidence in the "no evidence for god" vs "evidence for god" debate.

Unfortunately, this'd lead to another "no evidence either way".

I feel like I should make a diagram of this.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #222 on: November 13, 2010, 10:46:55 pm »

Well, I'm of to headbutt the fall for a few hours.

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what do you have against autumn? it's a beautiful season.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #223 on: November 13, 2010, 10:47:12 pm »

it's the planepacked of religious discussion
Yeah, because he could then claim that, actually, there is evidence in the "no evidence for god" vs "evidence for god" debate.

Unfortunately, this'd lead to another "no evidence either way".

I feel like I should make a diagram of this.

I  feel like that diagram would be a portal to hell.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #224 on: November 13, 2010, 10:48:22 pm »

The insanity has infected my keyboard.
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