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[Realmfighter]

The answer being who the fuck cares.

When told "I do", the answer changes to "Shut your fucking mouth."

[fqllve]

Much less disappointing than I imagined.

[Neonivek]

But there is no difference, at least in the details.

There is a major difference between the two at least in Logic.

As one deals with absolutes as the other deals with statistics

Evidence indicates while proof proves.

[Realmfighter]

But there is no logic in the world outside of theoretical.

[Neonivek]

But there is no logic in the world outside of theoretical.

But you just disproven it right there.

The logic of no logic is the lack of logic.

[Realmfighter]

I am nowhere near awake enough to respond to that.

[Neonivek]

I am nowhere near awake enough to respond to that.

Yeah 

[Eugenitor]

It isn't possible to disprove the existence of *any* god with logic, but it is possible to disprove the existence of some gods with logic.

For example, if a god is hypothesized that purports to bestow blessings, gifts, and power upon its followers, it is relatively easy to test to see if they have said things from an outside source. If they don't, we have conclusively disproved the existence of that god.

Simillarly, any god that threatens immediate divine punishment for certain acts can be easily tested by performing those acts, preferably in one of that god's houses of worship so he can't possibly overlook it. If nothing happens, the god doesn't exist.

However, any god that doesn't make any claims that are testable cannot be proven one way or the other.

[Realmfighter]

You can just as easily say god was forgiving you then as he doesn't exist as you aren't dead.

[Realmfighter]

Double post because I don't care.

Why would you even want to disprove anyones god? Belief that there's someone in the sky, who loves them forever and ever and ever amen, and takes comfort from this Isn't actually that bad. Sure some people use religion as a reason for hate, but people use anything as a reason to hate. You'd be taking away peoples hopes and dreams, for what? To prove that you, sitting in your little lab are right? That everyone who isn't bitter at the happiness around them is a self delusional retard?

Life is to short to hate.

Sorry, I just don't like it when people dislike each other. Makes me sad and angry.

[Leafsnail]

Why would you even want to disprove anyones god? Belief that there's someone in the sky, who loves them forever and ever and ever amen, and takes comfort from this Isn't actually that bad. Sure some people use religion as a reason for hate, but people use anything as a reason to hate. You'd be taking away peoples hopes and dreams, for what? To prove that you, sitting in your little lab are right? That everyone who isn't bitter at the happiness around them is a self delusional retard?

Well, from a scientific point of view, you just need to know.  It is the pursuit of knowledge, after all.

And then there's all the claims people make using their god as backup.  Maybe they'd still have their views if they didn't have their god, but damn if it isn't an extremely strong justification.

[Argembarger]

I just typed out a long, detailed response to this but when I was about to submit it I said "screw it" and erased the whole thing.

It's not gonna help anything.

Let me just end with a simile. Redacted because the simile won't help anything either.

Suffice it to say, people who hate and discriminate suck, but our views on why it is they hate and discriminate differ. I'm not going to try arguing because defending religion in this case is like defending atheism if I claimed it was heavily responsible for suicides, murders and the like due to existential angst/despair. Of course it isn't, I'm making shit up right now. but I could find ways to keep pressing the issue, if I want. I could press that point home forever, and keep finding new points and think up good counterarguments to your counterpoints.

Certain kinds of personalities and mindsets tend to be religious. I mean shit, I'm pulling that statement out of Skeptical Inquirer. And within that range of personalities and mindsets exists the kind of people who are xenophobic, who get their jollies from hating other people from being different and being discriminatory assholes. It's extremely unfortunate, but I get sick and tired of the generalization that because I'm religious I must be some kind of crazy, bigoted asshole. Correlation does not equal causation.

Dammit, there I go again, trying to argue.

Screw it, this conversation is swerving towards the horribly depressing.

I should be out helping and donating to the poor and downtrodden or combating hate somewhere or something and setting a good example instead of arguing stupid pointless shit on the internet. The argument's been going strong since people have been alive, it's just... fruitless and circular.

But lol nope I've been sitting around listening to Lamb of God all morning and thinking about hate and religion. That's so productive ha ha ha

[Tsarwash]

There is no scientific evidence either for or against the existance of any God.

That's......... not true.

Please enlighten us all. I'm sure that If it was 'proved' either way, then it might have been mentioned somewhere in the morning papers. Tucked away somewhere between the stories of earthquakes and cat's stuck up trees. I'm no theologist or philosopher, but it would seem pretty impossible to prove the existence or non existence of a God. If I am wrong then maybe someone can explain in language that we can understand, pre-coffee. Argembarger, religious debates are always going to be endless and go in circles, because they can have no conclusion. I'm still pissed off that some peoples lives are heaviliy affected by others' beliefs many thousands of miles away. It's not about to stop overnight though. At least this debate has been civilised and respectful.

[Argembarger]

I know, the thread just took an abrupt turn down Irrelevant Lane at the comment that God could be proven or disproven. That... shouldn't have even warranted a legitimate response. It got me a little bit worked up and then

That's rather similar to the reasons people let their kids keep believing in Santa Claus.

kind of affected me in a way it probably wasn't intended to.

I deleted my original post before I posted it. That shit was just embarrassing and by the time I finished writing it I was already calmed down again and knew I would regret it immediately.

I just don't want to be lumped together with those psychos that picket around with signs saying "god hates fags". I want nothing to do with that.

Someone's freedom to take some E and dance the night away should be respected, as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

And as for the people who get harassed by religious nutjobs, I'm really sorry to hear that. If I could come over there and tell them to fuck off, I totally would.

[Realmfighter]

If you don't like something people do, don't bring it up. If you can't reconcile your differences stop hanging out with them.

So easy.