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Author Topic: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom  (Read 12265 times)

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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #225 on: November 14, 2010, 12:44:07 pm »

Since you mentioned it, I don't see why people feel this need to "maintian their culture".
I may be half a dozen pages late, but when I overhear complete strangers I've never met losing the game, that's culture and I love it.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #226 on: November 14, 2010, 12:45:33 pm »

Since you mentioned it, I don't see why people feel this need to "maintian their culture".
I may be half a dozen pages late, but when I overhear complete strangers I've never met losing the game, that's culture and I love it.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #227 on: November 14, 2010, 12:50:34 pm »

Pfft. I still haven't seen any evidence that "The Game" exists.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #228 on: November 14, 2010, 12:57:55 pm »

Still waiting for that damn British prime minister to get on television and put an end to it.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #229 on: January 09, 2011, 01:48:39 am »

I would have to go with the second, as I generally hold that thing that happen are worse then things that don't

For example, the Holocaust was worse then everything the Zerg has done.
Well, Hitler's personal justification for the Holocaust was apparently a single verse in Matthew, where the people of Jerusalem get Pilate to agree to crucify Jesus by telling him to "let his (Jesus's) blood be upon us and all our children." I'm still not entirely clear what your point is, though.

To start I would like it be known that I am aware of how old this is.

I don't think that's true. Because Hitler was a pagan if I'm not mistaken. He said that the Jews greatest folly was that they elevated themselves above nature.
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« Reply #230 on: January 09, 2011, 01:50:39 am »

I don't know much about Hitler's religion, but there were some bizarre occultish and possibly preChristian pagan elements to it, I believe.

At any rate, what Hitler used to "justify" it isn't even all that relevant. If it wasn't that verse in Matthew, it would have been some other Bible verse, or something outside the Bible altogether. The justification is extraneous to the goals he had.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #231 on: January 09, 2011, 01:54:26 am »

I would have to go with the second, as I generally hold that thing that happen are worse then things that don't

For example, the Holocaust was worse then everything the Zerg has done.
Well, Hitler's personal justification for the Holocaust was apparently a single verse in Matthew, where the people of Jerusalem get Pilate to agree to crucify Jesus by telling him to "let his (Jesus's) blood be upon us and all our children." I'm still not entirely clear what your point is, though.

To start I would like it be known that I am aware of how old this is.

I don't think that's true. Because Hitler was a pagan if I'm not mistaken. He said that the Jews greatest folly was that they elevated themselves above nature.
[Citation needed]

Yeah, there's a lot of debate. It really depends how you define "pagan" though. Also, Hitler says that Atheists are communists, hehe.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #232 on: January 09, 2011, 02:02:02 am »

I'm going to guess that Hitler's religious views and justifications, at least publicly, were whatever was most politically advantageous at the time, especially considering what movement he belonged to.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #233 on: January 09, 2011, 02:03:05 am »

Where it gets REALLY weird is when he starts talking about Atlantic supermen. I'm not even joking.

Hitler was insane. He searched for Atlantis, tried to steal the Shroud of Turin. So much insanity.

I'm going to guess that Hitler's religious views and justifications, at least publicly, were whatever was most politically advantageous at the time, especially considering what movement he belonged to.

Most likely the correct answer.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2011, 02:04:24 am »

Pfft, Hitler was the leader of the Illuminati.

Still is actually.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2011, 02:09:37 am »

One of the biggest goals of such dictatorships was the replacement the traditional religion with a sort worship of the ruler and/or ruling party. If somebody believes that there is something greater than Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Kim, then they are less inclined to follow their orders. Their loyalties are split. Hence, a custom ideology gets made and given to the masses, in a form like Mein Kampf or the Little Red Book, and subservience to the state replaces subservience to God.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2011, 02:17:56 am »

One of the biggest goals of such dictatorships was the replacement the traditional religion with a sort worship of the ruler and/or ruling party. If somebody believes that there is something greater than Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Kim, then they are less inclined to follow their orders. Their loyalties are split. Hence, a custom ideology gets made and given to the masses, in a form like Mein Kampf or the Little Red Book, and subservience to the state replaces subservience to God.
Makes sense. Atheists are communist because everybody is equal because there's no gods :P
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2011, 02:20:56 am »

No, Soviet Russia was atheist because if you're worshipping God then you're not worshipping the Revolution/Party/Premier.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2011, 08:49:10 am »

There are all kinds of quotes about Hitler's religion.  He claimed to be an atheist and a practising Catholic, depending on whether it was convenient to at the time.  Then again, he also claimed to be vegetarian whilst also liking ham, sausages and (according to his chef) sparrow.
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Re: Religous Viewpoints and Freedom
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2011, 08:51:52 am »

Hitler was almost certainly some form of scizophrenic, among other things. I don't think we really need to bother debating his religious views.
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