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Neonivek

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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 11:20:38 pm »

Your not going to get "Less" antibotic use in a system that survives through constant consumption without outside interference.
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Christes

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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 11:23:04 pm »

The title of the article is a gross exaggeration. The existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria does not mean that all, or even most, bacterian infections will be produced by them.
Also, fun fact the article doesn't bother mentioning: once you reduce the usage of an antibiotic for a period of time, resistances go down again.

That's not sensationalist though.

Also, that would require moderation.
In other words, the complete opposite of what the US media likes to print.

Or, as in this case, the UK media. ;)
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 11:23:33 pm »

Probably applies to most media now that I think about it.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 11:25:18 pm »

Also: inb4 some poster mistakes antiseptic soap with antibiotics and starts raving about how the soap industry is at fault for this new doom that the press just informed us of and is totally and definitedly not exaggerated beyond reason like SARS and Pig Flu were.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 11:28:50 pm »

Are you implying that triclosan usage isn't a problem in any way? It is an antibacterial agent, resistance is possible (as far as I know), and you can't really say it's not overused in the household, where there's damn little justification for it, especially in things like soap.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2010, 11:32:26 pm »

But I LIKE my hands to be free of bacteria! Soap makes me feel safe!
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2010, 11:32:40 pm »

I learned that triclosan in most antiseptic hand soaps can accumulate in tissues and cause infertility. I can attest that they failed, utterly in spite of high risk application methods.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2010, 11:34:44 pm »

I learned that triclosan in most antiseptic hand soaps can accumulate in tissues and cause infertility. I can attest that they failed, utterly in spite of high risk application methods.
Did you just obliquely mention washing your junk? Hat's off to you sir, good show.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2010, 11:46:12 pm »

Are you implying that triclosan usage isn't a problem in any way? It is an antibacterial agent, resistance is possible (as far as I know), and you can't really say it's not overused in the household, where there's damn little justification for it, especially in things like soap.
http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/ssc/out269_en.pdf

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The SSC therefore concludes that there is no convincing evidence that Triclosan poses
an risk to humans or to the environment by inducing or transmitting antibacterial
resistance under current conditions of use.
This was done two years after the appaerance of the first articles. Another article, a review from 2006, points out that while it's worth keeping an eye on it because of the potential risk, the evidence in favor of triclosan-induced doom is fairly limited.
This is a google search for relevant articles. While there is some correlation, I've not seen any that paint it as a public health risk in the making. They do highlight that it should be kept an eye on, though
http://scholar.google.es/scholar?start=10&q=triclosan+resistance&hl=es&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=2003&as_vis=1

Plus worth noting that this was supposed to be used as a cleaning agent to begin with (in fact, the first article I linked states that it was first used as a public cleaning agent, before being used in clinical settings). Any complications would have risen anyway. If anything, I daresay the fact that even after mass usage it's not generating problems, speaks in its favor.

Also: now you owe me your lunch money.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2010, 12:03:53 am »

Resistance is futile
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 12:05:50 am »

I learned that triclosan in most antiseptic hand soaps can accumulate in tissues and cause infertility. I can attest that they failed, utterly in spite of high risk application methods.
Did you just obliquely mention washing your junk? Hat's off to you sir, good show.
I have no idea what you are talking about and find the very suggestion repulsive.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2010, 12:07:10 am »

I thought he was talking about using it as a method of lubrication for when his wife (that he has) isn't around.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2010, 12:10:13 am »

Bitches don't know about my medical bacteriophages.

Also, no need to completely lose your shit.  In case you didn't notice, we've spent like 99% of history without antibiotics.
Taking from this wiki article there has been around 100 to 115 billion people alive since history started.  We'll use an average of 107.5 billion people.  Currently only 6,880,500,000 people are alive right now.

Thanks to not having antibiotics 94% of people are DEAD.  DEAD.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2010, 12:13:13 am »

That's pretty fucking scary to think that six percent of ALL HUMANS EVERYWHERE AND AT ALL TIMES are alive right now.
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Re: The Death of Antibiotics
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2010, 12:13:49 am »

Bitches don't know about my medical bacteriophages.

Also, no need to completely lose your shit.  In case you didn't notice, we've spent like 99% of history without antibiotics.
Taking from this wiki article there has been around 100 to 115 billion people alive since history started.  We'll use an average of 107.5 billion people.  Currently only 6,880,500,000 people are alive right now.

Thanks to not having antibiotics 94% of people are DEAD.  DEAD.

We need some extensive medical breakthroughs to make sure we don't die too!
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