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[JarinArenos]

Any word on the "swimming skill to embark on the ocean" thing? And barring that, any way to properly mod it so dwarves CAN work underwater? I would seriously love to make something like this.

[Flaede]

Any word on the "swimming skill to embark on the ocean" thing? And barring that, any way to properly mod it so dwarves CAN work underwater? I would seriously love to make something like this.

Sadly, no. You can mod them amphibious and let them path through water, but it's still hardcoded that they'll freak out and stop working once they're submerged.

[TolyK]

well, uh, I'll try that

sad. could toady make legendary swimmers work underwater  PLEASE!!! PLEASE! PLEASE!

[snelg]

Perhaps embarking on a frozen ocean would allow you to dig down before it goes all watery on your ass. I haven't tried it, but it sounds reasonable. 

[TolyK]

HEY YEAH! FROZEN BIOME AND EMBARKANYWHERE! wait, can someone give me a link to it? I'll search modding for it, but just in case...

I shall try it. actually, I remember doing it in a frozen major river, but there was land there


*goes off to search modding forum*

[Flaede]

Perhaps embarking on a frozen ocean would allow you to dig down before it goes all watery on your ass. I haven't tried it, but it sounds reasonable. 

I'm certain it has been tried. I don't remember what the results were, and I don't think it's been tried in the latest release.
If you want invaders, you'll have to make them all amphibious, however.

Q - would a "kobold fish" steal submerged items you've lost in the water?

[snelg]

Perhaps embarking on a frozen ocean would allow you to dig down before it goes all watery on your ass. I haven't tried it, but it sounds reasonable. 

I'm certain it has been tried. I don't remember what the results were, and I don't think it's been tried in the latest release.
If you want invaders, you'll have to make them all amphibious, however.

Q - would a "kobold fish" steal submerged items you've lost in the water?

I can imagine it's been tried before. After all, this is dwarf fortress isn't it?

Something stealing all the things falling into the water (sea / lake / rivers) would be interesting. A coastal fortress I built over the sea had all kinds of crap lying around in the water below that I would never be getting back anyway.

[TolyK]

sadly the only ocean in this world is in the hot pole, genning a new one...

[Flaede]

Perhaps embarking on a frozen ocean would allow you to dig down before it goes all watery on your ass. I haven't tried it, but it sounds reasonable. 

I'm certain it has been tried. I don't remember what the results were, and I don't think it's been tried in the latest release.
If you want invaders, you'll have to make them all amphibious, however.

Q - would a "kobold fish" steal submerged items you've lost in the water?

I can imagine it's been tried before. After all, this is dwarf fortress isn't it?

Something stealing all the things falling into the water (sea / lake / rivers) would be interesting. A coastal fortress I built over the sea had all kinds of crap lying around in the water below that I would never be getting back anyway.

Exactly.

As for creating a frozen-ocean fortress - I can't get "Embark Anywhere" to work with the current version. Is there anyone who has? The stickied MOD list says "some people claim" it still does. So I am confused. Also, I want to embark anywhere!

[TolyK]

me too

whoever finds it gets 2 cookies!!

[Flaede]

Wow. It really is easier just to ask.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72789.msg1791702#msg1791702

There's 3 methods, apparently.

[TolyK]

6 cookies for 3 methods!

wow the search function is really broken

[JarinArenos]

Any word on the "swimming skill to embark on the ocean" thing? And barring that, any way to properly mod it so dwarves CAN work underwater? I would seriously love to make something like this.

Sadly, no. You can mod them amphibious and let them path through water, but it's still hardcoded that they'll freak out and stop working once they're submerged.

What about the [NOBREATHE] tag? >.>

Edit: Silly to ask, when I have !!SCIENCE!! available, I suppose. Have tried adding every tag I could think of, stealing a lot of them direct from the merpeople template, but no luck. Aquatic!dwarves still flatly refuse to path through water. This is greatly disappointing.

[Flaede]

Any word on the "swimming skill to embark on the ocean" thing? And barring that, any way to properly mod it so dwarves CAN work underwater? I would seriously love to make something like this.

Sadly, no. You can mod them amphibious and let them path through water, but it's still hardcoded that they'll freak out and stop working once they're submerged.

What about the [NOBREATHE] tag? >.>

Edit: Silly to ask, when I have !!SCIENCE!! available, I suppose. Have tried adding every tag I could think of, stealing a lot of them direct from the merpeople template, but no luck. Aquatic!dwarves still flatly refuse to path through water. This is greatly disappointing.

That's actually a step up. Used to be they'd path, then realize they were submerged and freak out.

[JarinArenos]

[swim_innate] [amphibious] [aquatic] [nofear] [nobreathe], ... *sigh* [noluck]

So basically, "hazardous terrain" isn't actually based on what's hazardous to a creature, it's simply hardcoded that water over 3/7 is hazardous to dwarves. Am I missing anything here? Seems rather disappointing after all the detail that DOES get calculated in this game.