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Author Topic: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF  (Read 39398 times)

Dryvnt

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My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« on: November 03, 2010, 10:05:23 am »
After playing Dwarf Fortress for a week or so, every single fort I have had has gone and died before I felt I really got started, because of some mistake I did.

This made me realize that there is no learning curve. There is, instead, a learning wall.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2010, 10:12:14 am by Dryvnt »
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning courve of DF
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 10:09:20 am »
Well, actually its a learning overhang as far as I know.
But well, this is DF, the land of flaming dwarves butchering mermaids with golden discs.
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning courve of DF
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 10:10:03 am »
it's the wall of fun, the arch nemesis of the wailing wall.
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 10:30:40 am »
This image sums it up, if you replace "Eve Online" with "Dwarf Fortress".  And make the cliff a few hundred feet taller.

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Dariush

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 10:37:02 am »
Hm, that's the second shitty photoshop of that image (with original containing DF) I had seen  :'( Damn ripoffers.
More on topic, after a first couple of forts you'll stop making really stupid decisions and start searching for Fun voluntarily. IIRC, it was my fifth fort (and second one in 31.x) that died FPS death rather than anything else.
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 10:55:51 am »
It doesn't help that the first few years are the most difficult. Even experienced players easily get creamed in the first couple of seasons from unforeseen threats.

Once you have a system in place for everything, and the dwarfpower and constructions to back it up, you've effectively won the game and can challenge yourself by taking on HFS or just do whatever.
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 11:46:05 am »
Quote from: Eugenitor on November 03, 2010, 10:55:51 am
Once you have a system in place for everything, and the dwarfpower and constructions to back it up, you've effectively won the game and can challenge yourself by taking on HFS or just do whatever.

There is no way to win! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH...Er sorry about that.

Quote from: SkyRender on November 03, 2010, 10:30:40 am
This image sums it up, if you replace "Eve Online" with "Dwarf Fortress".
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Done :P
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Cheap effects ftw!!! XD
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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 11:50:56 am »
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Fix'd that pic for you, needed magma
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Herbiie

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2010, 11:55:02 am »
That doesn't accurately show DF's learning curve.

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Is more accurate :)
« Last Edit: November 03, 2010, 11:58:17 am by Herbiie »
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The once dark-grey walls are now the dark brown of stained blood. At either side of the path leading to the great granite gates is covered with the corpses and skeletons of Goblin invaders.
Some are still fresh. One is still moving.
As you approach the gate a nervous guard looses a bolt in your direction. Silence... Slowly, gradually, the huge doors screech open. Inside there is a courtyard, the floor wet with blood. Welcome to the front-line. Welcome; to Cloisteredwood.

Dariush

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 12:14:29 pm »
Quote from: Herbiie on November 03, 2010, 11:55:02 am
That doesn't accurately show DF's learning curve.

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Is more accurate :)
Er... it's... negative playing time on part "Ffs now how do I do that?"  :o
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Encased in burning magma

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 12:18:46 pm »
You will eventually reach boring plateau.
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Herbiie

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 01:16:10 pm »
Quote from: Dariush on November 03, 2010, 12:14:29 pm
Quote from: Herbiie on November 03, 2010, 11:55:02 am
That doesn't accurately show DF's learning curve.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is more accurate :)
Er... it's... negative playing time on part "Ffs now how do I do that?"  :o

No the X Axis is Game Skill the Y Axis is time. I think. I swear it doesn't make sense.
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The once dark-grey walls are now the dark brown of stained blood. At either side of the path leading to the great granite gates is covered with the corpses and skeletons of Goblin invaders.
Some are still fresh. One is still moving.
As you approach the gate a nervous guard looses a bolt in your direction. Silence... Slowly, gradually, the huge doors screech open. Inside there is a courtyard, the floor wet with blood. Welcome to the front-line. Welcome; to Cloisteredwood.

Dryvnt

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 01:52:48 pm »
Quote from: Herbiie on November 03, 2010, 01:16:10 pm
Quote from: Dariush on November 03, 2010, 12:14:29 pm
Quote from: Herbiie on November 03, 2010, 11:55:02 am
That doesn't accurately show DF's learning curve.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is more accurate :)
Er... it's... negative playing time on part "Ffs now how do I do that?"  :o

No the X Axis is Game Skill the Y Axis is time. I think. I swear it doesn't make sense.
I think this is the fix that was needed:
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Herbiie

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 05:23:19 pm »
Quote from: Dryvnt on November 03, 2010, 01:52:48 pm
I think this is the fix that was needed:


Then all the little tags are in the wrong place!
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The once dark-grey walls are now the dark brown of stained blood. At either side of the path leading to the great granite gates is covered with the corpses and skeletons of Goblin invaders.
Some are still fresh. One is still moving.
As you approach the gate a nervous guard looses a bolt in your direction. Silence... Slowly, gradually, the huge doors screech open. Inside there is a courtyard, the floor wet with blood. Welcome to the front-line. Welcome; to Cloisteredwood.

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Re: My sudden realization about the learning curve of DF
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 07:26:03 pm »
DF's learning curve was always more like this to me, only better drawn.
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I should probably have my head checked, because I find myself in complete agreement with Nikov.
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