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[Zidane]

I have no idea if it's steel or silver, please enlighten me.

[Quietust]

Scourges are edged weapons, so steel is better.

[Zidane]

Scourges are edged weapons, so steel is better.

Thank you.

[Alastar]

Poly-alloy that allows it to morph into a morningstar (same high velocity and tiny contact area, but bigger and penetrates deeper). But yes, steel or adamantine.

[ioi101]

So would steel scourges be better then silver whips?

[Uzu Bash]

Whips are blunt, so I would guess silver the better material.  I've had good results from a silver scourge, though it should probably be replaced with steel when possible.

[ioi101]

Yes silver should be best for whips (although it doesn't matter much), and steel/adamantine for scourges.

But the question is, are whips better weapons then scourges? Both use the lasher skill and seem to be similar but the whip seems to have a much bigger speed multiplier.

[Chocolatemilkgod]

Whips are a bit overrated in the game's raws and are a bit unfair. I've lessened them down a bit since they're more like lightsabers right now.

[Uzu Bash]

Whips really are sick; you could put an iron whip in the hands of an untrained groundhog and it'll tear up a bronze colossus; maybe not kill it, but make it effectively useless. If you're going to do a lasher, may as well use the whip, even the best scourge can't compare.

[Alastar]

Whips are the ultimate can openers.

Scourges are very decent against armour for sharp weapons but since they lack both contact area and penetration depth they don't cause spectacular showers of limbs/organ kebabs as often as others. If you want something that kills soft targets faster than blunt weapons (including whips, but not by all that much) that's still somewhat good against armour, scourges would fit the bill... if morningstars weren't strictly better.

All flexible weapons are better than they should be: The game simulates their benefit (business end moves faster than a rigid weapon) but not their drawback (you shouldn't have the weight of the whole thing behind the blow).

[Uzu Bash]

I thought the morningstar was an edged mace-type? You'd want steel for that, since adamantine wouldn't be available?

[Rowanas]

All flexible weapons are better than they should be: The game simulates their benefit (business end moves faster than a rigid weapon) but not their drawback (you shouldn't have the weight of the whole thing behind the blow).

If you modify whips to be smaller (I set them to size 10) then they do appear to have a harder time rending and eviscerating. A couple of tests with each reveals that the size 10 whip works about as well as it should, causing great pain and bruising whatever it hits, but rarely causing serious injury.

[Alastar]

@ Uzu Bash: I'm not actually sure whether a morningstar in the game is meant to be a mace variant or a flail variant... RAWs work for either but mace seems more likely now that I think about it. At any rate, it's pointy and will essentially be a fast-moving spike with a fair bit of weight behind it 99 times out of 100. And yes, steel or adamantine is the preferred material.

@ Rowanas: I tested tiny whips myself and agree entirely... in fact, I was impressed at how well it matched my expectations of how whips should be. Incidentally, it still doesn't become useless if you change the material to leather.

[Zidane]

So a better mix would be scourges and whips, whips to handle armored opponents, and scourges to handle soft fleshy ones?

Off to the raws and a new world gen!

[Alastar]

Maybe, but only if you cba to train different weapon types... quick comparison of scourge vs. morning star:

Size: 300/500
Contact area: 10/10
Penetration depth: 50/500
Velocity: 2000/2000

Both are small enough to be used in 1 hand by most dwarves, and I believe we can ignore that the morningstar has a chance of having a rather wimpy blunt attack with a chance of 1/101.

Of course, then there's the question of whether you want either, this depends on how much specialisation you want. Neither scourges nor morningstars are terribly good against fleshy things compared to other edged weapons - axes cause more bleeding and lop off more limbs, spears reach the vitals of big fleshy things better.