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Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« on: November 02, 2010, 08:39:00 am »

Obsidian being itself a kind of glass, why not make it possible for raw green or clear glass to be combined with a wooden handle in the same manner?
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 08:55:44 am »

Makes sense to me.

Wouldn't expect them to be terribly durable, but I bet you could get one hell of an edge on them.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 12:12:07 pm »

Hmmm...Perhaps, but then they'd just break...

Though first glass has to be fixed for anything to happen wiht it :P
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2010, 02:26:11 pm »

Hmmm...Perhaps, but then they'd just break...
Depending on the shape and thickness, it's more resilient than you might think. Ever handled a solid glass ornament? A lump of glass about half to three quarters of an inch thick and knapped to a sharp edge would chip and flake easily, so it wouldn't keep its edge terribly well, but nothing short of laying it flat on the ground and pounding it with a hammer would make it crack first.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 02:54:33 pm »

You can make obsidian shortswords already. Some hammer and axe variations would be nice though.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 02:57:51 pm »

Hmmm...Perhaps, but then they'd just break...
Depending on the shape and thickness, it's more resilient than you might think. Ever handled a solid glass ornament? A lump of glass about half to three quarters of an inch thick and knapped to a sharp edge would chip and flake easily, so it wouldn't keep its edge terribly well, but nothing short of laying it flat on the ground and pounding it with a hammer would make it crack first.
Cracking it over a iron helm?
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 03:38:11 pm »

Cracking it over a iron helm?
Repeated blows would do it eventually, particularly with the flat of the blade, but the same could be said of many metals. And I'm not suggesting swords carved out of a single block of glass anyway, even though they would be both more effective than they sound and extremely cool, but sheets of it embedded in a wooden handle and filed to a sharp edge.

You can make obsidian shortswords already. Some hammer and axe variations would be nice though.
Adding [CAN_STONE] to other weapons is easy enough.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 04:03:26 pm »

Adding [CAN_STONE] to other weapons is easy enough.

If you don't mind losing your current world, I suggest making reactions for blunt stone weapons.  [CAN_STONE] only allows you to use stones with a high MAX_EDGE value.  Hammers, being blunt, should be able to use nearly any stone.  If you want to restrict certain very soft or brittle stones from being used for hammers, you can always add a REACTION_CLASS (check out the FLUX stones and relevant reactions).
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2010, 04:35:41 pm »

makes me think of the Elder Scrolls weapons. there was a glass version, that was pretty strong. . .
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 04:39:21 pm »

If only they had plexiglass back in the dwarven days... Not even bullets can destroy dat der shtuff
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 04:47:49 pm »

plexiglass is preety weak.

its the polycarbonate that is the strong stuff.

In my shop club, if we didnt know, we would take a sheet and throw it hard on the ground. if it broke, it was plexiglass, if it didnt, it was Lexan (polycarbonate)
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 04:55:09 pm »

plexiglass is preety weak.

its the polycarbonate that is the strong stuff.

In my shop club, if we didnt know, we would take a sheet and throw it hard on the ground. if it broke, it was plexiglass, if it didnt, it was Lexan (polycarbonate)

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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 05:39:20 pm »

http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk/

Other kinds of glass as well as sharpen-able stones like flint should be able to be used.  Check that website out!  It has examples of that!  Not to mention it also has excellent information about the characteristics of these weapons.

Also, keep in mind that the maquahuitl was made for use against mostly unarmored opponents, as the edge would chip readily if it contacted anything hard.  According to eye-witness accounts detailed in the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", virtually any time an Aztec warrior was able to get a hold of a steel sword, they promptly discarded their obsidian-edged weapons because of steel's superior durability and ability to hold an edge much longer.  That also highlights the importance of having wear-and-tear in the game.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 06:00:01 pm »

You can make obsidian shortswords already. Some hammer and axe variations would be nice though.

The obsidian short swords are just macquahitl.
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Re: Minor Addition: Glass Weapons
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2010, 08:20:14 pm »

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Obsidian as a volcanic glass is less brittle than manufactured glass generally, though you can get an equally sharp edge on manufactured stuff. That said, macquahitl themselves are only really effective against unarmoured opponents.
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