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[Corew]

Ok i ve tried unsucesfully to quickly get a Armorsmith Mood for some time now, in several different forts. This is not complaining but trying to find some of the hidden stuff - why this is happening ?- in my moods 

My first 7 dwarves mood skills have been: Weaponsmith, Armorsmith, Mason, Miner, Clothier, Carpenter and Mechanic, all of these are of course proficient or more when my first mood pops. I prepared a normal forge, till i got magma, then replaced it. So i just have had 1 most of the time.
About Migrants... i try to give them asap a single work of Armorsmith (a shield), unless they have another high moodable skill of course.
I got now 27 bismuth bronze shields, taking into account my current populace is 60. So.. 50% of my Non-Heavy Metal band should desire a metal mood... 28 armor, 1 weapon, 1 metalcraft, 1 metalsmith.

Ok 6 artifacts so far... and the skill level at the moment the mood pops.
Clothier (dwarf was clothier proficient or more+)
Engraver (talented +)
Glassmaker (high master+)
Carpenter (accomplished+)
Gem cutter (Talented +)
Carpenter (Legendary) so uber legendary now

So...My conclusion is ... since some moment in 31.xx moods are more probable if you are more skilled.
But.. even so... i have 4 reasonably skilled metal guys, 2 of them since the start.
When i had 22 dwarves, 3 of them were metals, and about  half Dabbling Armor.. that should pop a 30% chance or more !
So I believe also metal (perhaps specially armor) is infraponderated in chance of moods.

Some idea?

[Ten_Tacles]

Some jobs have a higher chance to mood then others.
Also, if a dwarf moods, it takes the highest skill of him/her, and moods in that one.

But I guess you just had bad luck.

[WrathNail]

Once I had a legendary Armorer AND a legendary Weaponsmith in the same fortress. Sadly even their finest masterworks couldn't defend against FPS-death.

But seriously, I always take these skills for two of my starting dwarves in the hope of a fey mood.

[Corew]

Nah im pretty sure its not luck now. I ve tested in 4 or 5 different forts by now, always same happens. Metal moods finally pops, but usually very late... Perhaps mood chance for armorsmith has been lowered a lot now, considering magma and steel are a lot easier to get now en masse.
When i played 40d, chance of a mood pop were something like this:
Metal Chance x21
Some (a few) professions x12
Most x6
... so when half of the dwarves were dabbling armorsmiths, chances were around 70% of a metal mood... It usually worked for me, perhaps not the first... but by the 3rd or 4th mood i had usually my nice armorsmith.... without magma tho.

[Quietust]

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[LoveMachine]

Would you prefer to have 2?

[Eugenitor]

I'm not getting the same kind of stats at all- I get quite a few kid moods, where the kid has no skill until it's finished. Same with completely unrelated professions getting moods in skills they don't have.

[LoveMachine]

The legendary armourer Zaneg in my last post was an immigrant with no armouring skill when he mooded.  He had furnace operating and metal crafter - I assume furnace operating was higher or he would have become a metalcrafter?

EDIT: Er, I just used DwarfTherapist for the first time to see if there's a way to look back at a dwarf's history and check this, and I noticed that both of these guys are Legendary +5.  I always thought an artifact only brought them to +0 and you had to train the rest :\

And what Corew says below is probably right, he must have been listed as a metalcrafter and had armourer at the same level when he arrived and I didn't notice.

[Corew]

yes... Eventually some dwarf without any moodable skill gets a mood and claims a craftsdwarf shop, including kids... they turn into bonecarvers, stonecrafters or some other unuseful skill.

Most farming, hunter and a lot other skills are not moodable, check the wiki for a complete list...

I dont believe Furnace operator is a moodable skill... so dont know about how that Metalcrafter turning into Armorsmith. I remember some dwarf marked as a (Metalsmith or Metalcrafter not sure?), having different levels of armorsmith, weaponsmith, metalsmith and metalcrafter...

[Shoku]

Furnace operating is the only smithy job that doesn't get a mood while tanning is the only farmy job that does get a mood. Woodcutting also doesn't mood.

You pretty much get some wood/stone/bone crafter if they were skill-less, like every friggin child that keeps mooding for me.

[Nameless Archon]

One thing that can help is setting ALL your low-skill dwarves to have weaponsmithing, cranking out some piece of junk menacing steel spear for a trap somewhere, then shutting them out of weaponsmithing as they gain experience.

If weaponsmithing is their only moodable skill, it'll also be the highest...

[Corew]

Yay while this is goin on my yet legendary mayor decided to mood (of course not armorsmith) just when the first time a human diplomat appeared... Anyway...Who cares?

And 3 more dabbling armorsmiths ready to mood... Only 2 or 3 remain without moodable skill. Now 35 of the 60 have a moodable metal skill, mostly armorsmith...

I also decided to add a non-magma forge in case it has some effect...

[Uzu Bash]

I may be able to test this out, luck willing. My fortress is going into second generation, and I'm apprenticing the kids where I hope to see legendaries. Some of them are getting across-the-board experience in their fields, some are getting more specific jobs. It's still early in the experiment, and none of them have mooded yet.

[ISGC]

I had my chief medical dwarve get a mood where he made an artifact mechanism (which was something I had never seen before)
I may have set him to be a mechanic prior to the mood, however.

[Uzu Bash]

I had a miner-in-training take over a mason's shop in a secretive mood and come out...a legendary miner! I didn't know you could do that. He made a door worth 3.6k, pretty clearly overshadowed in the artifact department around here, but you know, I got another legendary miner.