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[slothen]

Thanks for reading, sorry if this sounds REALLY nooby or stupid, I'm new to here...
Sorry,
Comrade Jester

yes and yes, although its always nice to have a theme to build your forts around.

DF forts are practically communist societies anyway, you would just need to take a few measures to make your dwarves extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked.  I would say plump helmet based foods only for the dwarves, while the nobility (read: ruling party) get a burrow with syrup and whip vine flour roasts.  Red dye only.  Every non-noble dwarf gets masonry and hauling on.  dwarves that are too often idle must be jailed or executed.  Constantly build monuments to the ruling party.  No soap.  No decorations.  No engravings.

[Gr33kjester]

Thanks for reading, sorry if this sounds REALLY nooby or stupid, I'm new to here...
Sorry,
Comrade Jester

yes and yes, although its always nice to have a theme to build your forts around.

DF forts are practically communist societies anyway, you would just need to take a few measures to make your dwarves extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked.  I would say plump helmet based foods only for the dwarves, while the nobility (read: ruling party) get a burrow with syrup and whip vine flour roasts.  Red dye only.  Every non-noble dwarf gets masonry and hauling on.  dwarves that are too often idle must be jailed or executed.  Constantly build monuments to the ruling party.  No soap.  No decorations.  No engravings.

hey hey hey, not all of the USSR was extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked, but still, I get what you were saying

[Eagle_eye]

Thanks for reading, sorry if this sounds REALLY nooby or stupid, I'm new to here...
Sorry,
Comrade Jester

yes and yes, although its always nice to have a theme to build your forts around.

DF forts are practically communist societies anyway, you would just need to take a few measures to make your dwarves extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked.  I would say plump helmet based foods only for the dwarves, while the nobility (read: ruling party) get a burrow with syrup and whip vine flour roasts.  Red dye only.  Every non-noble dwarf gets masonry and hauling on.  dwarves that are too often idle must be jailed or executed.  Constantly build monuments to the ruling party.  No soap.  No decorations.  No engravings.

that's not communist... that's how pretty much everyone plays, except the no soap/decoration/engraving part...

[Gr33kjester]

Thanks for reading, sorry if this sounds REALLY nooby or stupid, I'm new to here...
Sorry,
Comrade Jester

yes and yes, although its always nice to have a theme to build your forts around.

DF forts are practically communist societies anyway, you would just need to take a few measures to make your dwarves extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked.  I would say plump helmet based foods only for the dwarves, while the nobility (read: ruling party) get a burrow with syrup and whip vine flour roasts.  Red dye only.  Every non-noble dwarf gets masonry and hauling on.  dwarves that are too often idle must be jailed or executed.  Constantly build monuments to the ruling party.  No soap.  No decorations.  No engravings.

that's not communist... that's how pretty much everyone plays, except the no soap/decoration/engraving part...

Good point, sorry, its 2am and Im ill , cut me some slack

[Gutanoth]

Thanks for reading, sorry if this sounds REALLY nooby or stupid, I'm new to here...
Sorry,
Comrade Jester

yes and yes, although its always nice to have a theme to build your forts around.

DF forts are practically communist societies anyway, you would just need to take a few measures to make your dwarves extra miserable, malnourished, and overworked.  I would say plump helmet based foods only for the dwarves, while the nobility (read: ruling party) get a burrow with syrup and whip vine flour roasts.  Red dye only.  Every non-noble dwarf gets masonry and hauling on.  dwarves that are too often idle must be jailed or executed.  Constantly build monuments to the ruling party.  No soap.  No decorations.  No engravings.

Don't you mean totalitarianism with a charade of communism to keep the foolish happy and the one's who are aware able to just be disappeared? (or am I getting socialism mixed up with communism?)

[ungulateman]

Socialism, Communism and Dictatorships are all on a big line (or more accurately, a circle) of political systems. Extreme communism leads to a dictatorship (like Stalin), while socialism is actually something rather separate from communism.

Socialism (in the form of socialist democracy) is what northern European countries have. Communism is what Cuba has and China sort-of had during the Great Leap Forward. A dictatorship is what North Korea has.

Dwarf fortresses strike me as being like a kibbutz - everyone is equal and people do what they're best at for the community. It's socialist, approaching communist, but actually pretty good as far as extreme socialism.

[Jordrake]

There seems to be some confusion between "Communist" and "Soviet".

[Gr33kjester]

There seems to be some confusion between "Communist" and "Soviet".

Communism: Made by Karl Marx, afterwards, the USSR was formed, the USSR stands for United States of Soviet Russia.
WITH VODKA!

[Jordrake]

There seems to be some confusion between "Communist" and "Soviet".

Communism: Made by Karl Marx, afterwards, the USSR was formed, the USSR stands for United States of Soviet Russia.
WITH VODKA!

Yeah, missing my point. Vodka is stereotypically Russian, but not necessarily communist. Communism is about complete equality, which doesn't really work when you have leaders and nobility. There are people with far more expertise on the subject that can explain it better, but while the USSR was communist (Or was attempting to be), communism does not need to imply, reference or have anything to do with Soviet Russia.

[NewSheoth]

What the above poster said. Hence me saying 'actual communism' as opposed to the cheap knockoff spawned by revolutions going wrong. That ain't communist. Not even socialist (as I see it, at least). One of the historians that I know of described the regime of the USSR as 'partocracy', 'rule of (one) party', which sums it up pretty well.

Communism is not about everyone being malnourished and overworked. That wasn't even the case with the USSR after it took off. Real communism is about universal happiness in equality, the thing that was quickly forgotten in every single case of 'communist' revolutions. If there's no equality, there's no communism.
In Dwarf Fortress, universal happiness in equality is actually possible. With enough effort put into it, as I said earlier, nobles will be so in name only and still be happy with it, as their (and everyone's) rooms will be good enough to satisfy them, and do their job like everyone else.

And as an aside, quite a philosophical thread it has become.

[GaxkangtheUnbound]

The only uncorrupted way for a sorta-communism to work is to have a computer do all the management.
The problem with that is, if the computer can learn, it's gonna be an evil bastard.

[lolghurt]

The only uncorrupted way for a sorta-communism to work is to have a computer do all the management.
The problem with that is, if the computer can learn, it's gonna be an evil bastard.

Then you get to play Paranoia in dwarf fortress.
Preferably in that Game of Life fortress.

[NewSheoth]

You have to do it. Someone has to do it. For !!science!!.

[lolghurt]

You have to do it. Someone has to do it. For !!science!!.

My computer dies trying to load the game of life in df. I can't even get started on building a SECOND COMPUTER in that.

[Gr33kjester]

There seems to be some confusion between "Communist" and "Soviet".

Communism: Made by Karl Marx, afterwards, the USSR was formed, the USSR stands for United States of Soviet Russia.
WITH VODKA!

Yeah, missing my point. Vodka is stereotypically Russian, but not necessarily communist. Communism is about complete equality, which doesn't really work when you have leaders and nobility. There are people with far more expertise on the subject that can explain it better, but while the USSR was communist (Or was attempting to be), communism does not need to imply, reference or have anything to do with Soviet Russia.

Ok, I get it, Im kidding around, Im Russian for Stalin's sake