JanusTwoface. Where to start?
I have been in a total of 1 Vengeful Mafia game. It was on IRC, though, and I learned that people are very stupid.
Sounds like a personal problem...
But maybe Janus or Wuba. I don't believe I've raaaged at them yet.
Missed your chance last round.
Unvote Pandarsenic.
GlyphGryph, it's "we're" not "where." Also, which players are you familiar with, and which are new to you?
Yep. Definately scum. You put your token random vote on your scum buddy and then back off immediately. I see how it is.
First off, I have no idea what kind of play style you THINK this is or why on earth you'd think it would work. You're basically OMGUSTunneling on anyone that thinks you're scum. Which is about everyone.
You RV IronyOwl off the bat, then tunnel that into the ground, while throwing off passive attacks at Pandarsenic. I FoS you and then you vote me for no reason at all really. In fact, you expressed little concern for me UNTIL I FoSed you.
You're attempting to apply pressure using terrible logic and jumping to conclusions. The only real conclusions are that you don't mean what you say, and therefore need to be ignored, or are deliberately trying to get someone lynched using any excuse you can manage.
Terrible logic? Point it out.
Also, I'm not trying to get someone lynched. I'm trying to get you lynched. And I'm not trying to get you lynched using any excuse. I'm trying to get you lynched because you are scum.
Your logic, up to that point (and further), had been terrible. The point is not to have a 50:50 shot at winning. If you want that, flip a coin. Like it or not, you ARE trying to get someone lynched for any reason at all. Look at your playing! You START OFF by tunneling. That's the start. Anyone that expresses any suspicion towards you is automatically scum to you. Look at it. You don't give up on that tunnel until I SUSPECT YOU.
Admitting it would at least salvage some chance for you, but you're going to have to get lynched now,
JanusTwoface.
Unfortunately, you're wrong on two parts. One, I do wish to indulge on the going-ons inside people's minds, and two, during Day 2, we can read everyone's posts again. So shut up.
Great idea if one of these ever makes it to day 2. Even better if anyone actually ever did this... And no. I won't. Scum are like fascists, always trying to suppress peoples...
You feel like you're sidelining. Much more than previous games I've played with you at the very least. This is scummy.
Ignoring we won't get to Day 2? Pretty stupid. First off, if we don't get to Day 2, we lose. Also, nice joke to throw in there. Haha, get it? You're comparing yourself to scum. I, however, was allowing the expression of all ideas except the ones that suppress them. Big difference.
What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't prove he's town, but it certainly gives us something to work with. Don't just critique - offer constructive criticism. What do you want him to do instead?
It gives the impression of being useful. Not actually being useful. And it's not my job to improve his game, it's his. It's my job to find scum.
Are you reading what you're saying? It's your job to make sure he stops talking about the game? That's how you're finding scum, apparently. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I do have to say though, It's pretty ballsy tunneling on your scumpartner like you are. And if that's not what you're doing... well, that's certainly what it looks like from here.
If it certainly looks like it then why aren't you voting one of us?
I'm voting you. Any more WIFOM you'd like to spread before you're lynched?
-Stating he might or might not tunnel and then vengekill/be vengekilled by a townie, which you consider "statistically likely." I'd say this was unrelated, but it's basically all you've got.
No one has much of anything. We're only a few hours again. That's the entire point of the early game.
And yet your tunnel is totally justified! Better yet, so is the rushing of the game! I mean, with so little evidence, we should probably move faster!
-Including "(p.s. fuck you)" in his response, since Pandar's only foul-mouthed when he's scum. This is both blatantly false, at least in any game I've seen him in, and means the opposite in this case, since he's far, far less angry than usual.
Those two words were more than 5% of his total word count at that point.
Is that a justification or a rebuttal? Because it fails on both accounts. It doesn't answer the fact that it's false, and it certainly doesn't answer the fact that 5% is 1-in-20 words.
-A fairly irrelevant argument. No real indication of why it specifically makes him scum.
I'm not sure if he's scum. He's scummy enough, but he almost always is. I think you're scum. All of that was in answer to your question "Did you not like his answer?". I didn't. Doesn't necessarily make him scum.
Right. The passive attacks are definitely indicating that. I mean, it's a good way to make you look more active than you are.
But clearly, he wouldn't list his scumbuddy for precisely that reason or leave out just his buddy because he'd know we knew that, so this basically confirms GlyphGryph as town and me as scum.
Did you just say that you're scum? ... Huh.
And you're not planning on pushing the hypothetical point forward or making this attack any less passive? Because you might as well add the words probably and then more ellipses.
Excellent, Mr. Holmes. If you would explain why, we can wrap this up post haste.
You're the only one I don't have to convince...
True, but we're not trying to convince you you're scum. We already know it. We're trying to gather more evidence against you and show everyone else what you are.
So, while I have your attention, Janus, why are you trying to blitzkrieg someone? (Are you going after Toaster or Pandarsenic, because I'm still confused.) It's one thing to be aggressive, but whatever you've decided to do isn't going to work. I am having enormous difficulty even beginning to understand a word you're saying.
I'm not. Up to this point, I'm attacking IronyOwl with a bit of fallout directed at Pandarsenic. And it would be quite a feat to get Toaster lynched. Pay attention.
Maybe you should pay more attention to my addendum. Had you read the entirety of the post, you'd notice I mixed up Toaster and IronyOwl. But, it still doesn't ignore the fact that you're tunneling and passive attacking on IronyOwl and Pandarsenic, respectively.
So because it's a quick game, nonsense is alright? Huh?
It's only really "quicker" because there's five players and a distinct possibility of ending on Day 1 with a bit of luck (be it good or bad). Because it's Hammer it can be as long as it needs to be.
Or because you're trying to make it quicker. And thanks for adopting my message of calming down after I say it, then voting me for it. Love your hypocrisy.
Alright, but as you just said, we're early in the game. If your argument was that he was lurking or active lurking and therefore scum, why didn't you come out and say it instead of mentioning how vulgar he was? If your argument isn't that he's lurking or activelurking, what is it? That your first few words are the most critical?
It also doesn't explain why you think that in the first place. I don't think I've ever seen him not angry.
My argument was that he was being vulgar. He wasn't lurking in any form at that point, but he was vulgar. You do have a point that he's always angry and less so this time around though.
Not sure if that means that he's town or just better at covering it up this time around.
AND YET YOU SAY IT MAKES HIM MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM!
(p.s. fuck you)
Profane Pandarsenic is scummy Pandarsenic.
THERE'S THE BACKTRACK, EVERYONE!
It's fairly implied, since the reason you think I'm scum is because I unvoted him without sufficient cause. So either he's scum, or he's acting scummy and I didn't care. You made it quite clear it was the former, but you might be able to change your story without too much difficulty.
The reason I think you're scum is because you're scum. Do you want me to change my story? That whole second half just feels weird.
See, at least make an attempt at an argument. Just because you think "A because A" is gonna fool everyone, won't make it so. I, on the other hand, have pointed out sufficient cause to lynch you. See the difference? Maybe you will next time you play.
So you're the other scum? That's a load off my mind, I thought it'd be a pain convincing Pandar not to bus me.
Completely not the point. The point was that it's theoretically possible to convince your scumbuddy to lynch you (if he feels that he would benefit from the bus) but should be impossible to convince you to lynch yourself no matter your alignment.
But it WOULDN'T make sense to bus your partner here unless you were confident that they could defend themselves or because you knew you could survive TWO lynches and ONE vengekill. Meaning you're the only survivor.
In fact, it's even less likely to happen with the Godfather being an instant loss for the scum, so that means only ONE player could pull it off successfully: The Godfather. At least think logically for a second.
I should probably unvote JanusTwoface to avoid incidents, however.
What incidents might those be exactly?
That being said, I'm convinced that you're more likely town than scum at this point. Could be wrong, but that's something to deal with later. unvote
Right, the tunnel didn't work, did it?
Webadict. You're sidelining more than is your norm / paying less attention to detail than is usual, and then you come in with the BIG BOLD VOICE OF REASON. All scummy. 2/3 ain't bad, but were' still missing one piece to convince me that you're def-scum as opposed to just prob-scum.
I can understand the sidelining comment, as I was particularly busy, but you think I'm paying less attention? True, I didn't notice the whole Toaster vs. IronyOwl thing until I was looking back at the thread, but is there anything game related in that comment? No? Didn't think so.
And I'd really like to see you pull this Too Townie argument off. No, really. I WANT to see it. Please, continue it. It will give me something to laugh about for days to come. How JanusTwoface, backed into a corner, pulls out all the stops. When logical reasoning fails you, try fallacies. Seriously, kid, learn to play. Or, at least make an effort to make it look like you ARE playing. Go suck a lemon.